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Topic: Corona Virus - subscription renewals
Posted By: NickM99
Subject: Corona Virus - subscription renewals
Date Posted: 21 Mar 20 at 5:29pm
It seems unlikely that club organised activities will be able to resume for at least 3 months and if the scientists are to be believed it may be two or three times that.  Social isolation for the vulnerable/over 70s  may be recommended for even longer. While some clubs are permitting free sailing/buddy rules, it seems sailing has been stopped altogether at other clubs. Clubhouses are mostly closed.

What are clubs doing about subscription renewals?  It seems wrong to expect members to pay an full subscription with no facilities and maybe half the sailing year wiped out - maybe more for the ancient mariners.  It seems to me that the key is to ensure members still renew and remain engaged with the club maybe at a reduced cost.  If dinghy park fees remain the same, those who can may choose to store their boats elsewhere.  Any thoughts?



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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 21 Mar 20 at 5:39pm
I will be supporting my club by paying my subs in full this weekend 


Posted By: cad99uk
Date Posted: 21 Mar 20 at 6:03pm
Club shut but have just paid my subs in full. I want the club to be there when we come out the other side.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Mar 20 at 6:13pm
My club hasn't held this years agm, not sure what will happen about fees, club is totally locked down including boat park, so unless you take a boat with you, you won't be able to sail.

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Robert


Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 21 Mar 20 at 7:34pm
Already paid, No problem with that.

Those that have or will lose income in the coming months may feel differently. Quite understandable.


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 21 Mar 20 at 9:17pm
All of my "decent option" clubs are way more expensive than mine, so an excellent excuse to keep paying my existing subs and making sure it's there on the other side.

I think most landlords are going to take a sensible view on rent to support clubs


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 8:46am
Just about to pay my subs for the coming year. I want the club to be there when we can all get back racing. My club is luckier than a lot of inland clubs in that we own the site so no landlord to worry about.

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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 10:26am
Anyone who is concerned about being able to sail at their club either later this year or next year could be making a serious mistake to not pay their dues. (Mine were paid sometime ago).Survival of many clubs would certainly be in doubt if large number didn't pay.

Certainly some who are uncommitted, or thinking of giving up anyway, will not pay, but I would hope and expect that the majority of committed sailors would see the importance of supporting their clubs through this.


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Peter
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Laser 189635
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 10:37am
Thinking I'm not going to get much use this year from 2 of the 3 berth park spaces, but seeing as I normally cram 4 boats and a kayak into them, I guess I'm ahead of the game anyway.

I think we will generally be down on numbers at most clubs the end of this, through people rethinking their priorities, and for the sad fact that much of our membership is in at risk groups.

This may grow again as people find healthily things to do near home I stead of going on cruises or ticking things of foreign travel bucket lists.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 10:48am
I think a lot of the small clubs like mine will not reopen, I will have to look for a club that allows eccentric boats, not many of the larger clubs seem to have them.

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Robert


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 11:36am
Most clubs have eccentric boats. They are at the back of the boat park with weeds growing round them.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 5:03pm
That's where I get all my boats from Smile

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Robert


Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 8:34pm
We are in a very fortunate position where we can pay our subs in full on the due date and will do so. I recognise that others may not be so lucky. I would therefore hope that all Clubs including ours can be flexible about the collection of payments by either deferral or installments where required. We need to discourage people from resigning.

For some the boat parking space will be the leverage to renew as they have nowhere at home to keep their boat and I guess the 2nd hand market has all but collapsed?


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 22 Mar 20 at 11:34pm
My club have just advised that all on the water activity is now banned at the request of the local public health office. I have my Blaze at home so can do some much needed work on it but had not planned to sail for the moment as we are staying at home, partly because me and Mrs Spoons are both at higher risk and partly because minimising social contact makes sense to slow the spread of C19. 

My subs are paid for this year and while not being able to sail is a bit of a bummer I'll try my best to make good use of the time in other activities. 


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 23 Mar 20 at 12:07am
The comments on this thread are so heart warming . Itís so lovely to know people love their clubs and what their clubs does for them as much as I do .Smile


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 23 Mar 20 at 1:02am
It's not entirely surprising, I have been a member of my club for 66 years on and off (on for 5 years, off for 57 and on again for the last 3 Ĺ Wink )

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 23 Mar 20 at 8:20am
I've paid mine not to sail, but then thats little different to any other year, I rarely get out on the water these days. I would want to help support the club by paying my subs but I'm lucky that I'm able to work from home at the moment and getting paid. If though I had lost my job, etc and sailing was a luxury then I may be forced to think otherwise, but it would be reluctantly as I was forced to. 

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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 24 Mar 20 at 3:04pm
Already paid mine and want club to be there when this is over.



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Gordon
Phantom 1430


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 24 Mar 20 at 3:45pm
It'll be the floating members that we lose. The trouble is they are a signifiant source of many club's income.


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 24 Mar 20 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by Paramedic

It'll be the floating members that we lose. The trouble is they are a signifiant source of many club's income.


This floating 25% are often the ones dodging duties and being less involved in the club anyway.

My view is that having a club with finances based on the "real" members might have to be more careful on spending but will be nicer.

Most clubs have dropped the old fashioned joining fee, desperate to get these floaters. How about all the clubs in an area getting together and reintroducing the joining fee and perhaps having a better chance of keeping the drifters and maybe showing them the advantage of involvment?


Posted By: crosby mafia
Date Posted: 24 Mar 20 at 9:28pm
 My home club is a resident club at a Council owned water sports centre, which in line with other council leisure centres are now locked down.  Our club AGM should have been last Wednesday, but we took the hard view to postpone it.  So we haven't agreed our club fees for 2020/21, that's going to be hard. We have a learn to sail waiting list, for the first time in ages, but who'd join a club which isn't open.  Even I, as club President can't pay my fees coz we haven't decided them yet !! 
My other summer club on the North Welsh coast, I've paid my full fees and its closed.  Can't go to service the big boats engine and play, because of the travel restrictions 


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Posted By: polc1410
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 7:42am
Clubs may well have insurance that covers (some) loss of income. It's certainly available as part of the RYA policy.

Clubs registered as businesses should look at what the government grant schemes are.

Clubs will presumably make some savings:: fuel, wear and tear, utility use, etc.

I think so much at the minute is unknown, but the correct stance from a club will be to take membership if people possibly can (they will have to accept some members may not be able and so effectively don't renew [Make sure you don't flog their boat the day this is over!]) And look at what coast / income etc is to "reward" loyalty this year.


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 7:59am
I was going to say, not taking fees because you cant increase them might not be a sensible approach provided there isn't an underlying reason why an increase above inflation - such as it is - is essential.

Once you've got people's money they are in the system and you'll retain them. Delay and you will inevitably lose a few. If you retain a couple of members that might otherwise have drifted away this must outweigh any benefit from increasing subs. Floating members or not their money is as good as anyone's! (Sorry Ian :) )


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 8:05am
Originally posted by Paramedic

I was going to say, not taking fees because you cant increase them might not be a sensible approach provided there isn't an underlying reason why an increase above inflation - such as it is - is essential.
Once you've got people's money they are in the system and you'll retain them. Delay and you will inevitably lose a few. If you retain a couple of members that might otherwise have drifted away this must outweigh any benefit from increasing subs. Floating members or not their money is as good as anyone's! (Sorry Ian :) )


I think in a watersports environment- keeping everyone floating is our top priority!

Keep safe everyone, see you on the virtual sailing game platforms and back on the water on the " other side"



Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 9:24am
Originally posted by crosby mafia

 My home club is a resident club at a Council owned water sports centre, which in line with other council leisure centres are now locked down.  Our club AGM should have been last Wednesday, but we took the hard view to postpone it.  So we haven't agreed our club fees for 2020/21, that's going to be hard. We have a learn to sail waiting list, for the first time in ages, but who'd join a club which isn't open.  Even I, as club President can't pay my fees coz we haven't decided them yet !! 
My other summer club on the North Welsh coast, I've paid my full fees and its closed.  Can't go to service the big boats engine and play, because of the travel restrictions 

Perhaps think about having an emergency agm using one of the conference call services like zoom.
I know my club is thinking of trying to do this for our monthly meetings. 



Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 10:06am
We are trying out Zoom for my wife and son's dancing school to give lessons over the internet. It seems to work pretty well. Certainly perfectly satisfactory for committee meetings.

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 12:35pm
Yes, I had a trial meeting with fellow managers and trustees of a local charity I'm involved with last night using Zoom. It was free and I'm impressed - though my internet connection was near to its limits! I'm no longer on our SC committee, but I can see myself using it for other organisations.

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Peter
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Laser 189635
DY 59


Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 7:15pm
Yes, Zoom works well, used it last night for a meeting about closing the club. We have closed the buildings and the use of club boats. There was some debate about making some Sups and rowing craft available for on the foreshore without having to get equipmentfrom the club, but we decided not to as it might be misunderstood.

The rest of our foreshore is open to the  public so members can take their own dinghies out if they want. As long as they keep 2m away from everyone. The place is deserted so that shouldn't be a problem


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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Alpha 220PR


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 7:36pm
The government need to stop the vague instructions, get everyone except vital workers at home

The current mess allows sailing along with the days on the beach etc etc and the corresponding risk in increased illness.

And I hope not, but maybe fewer sailors to join clubs next year












Posted By: A2Z
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by Riv

members can take their own dinghies out if they want. As long as they keep 2m away from everyone. The place is deserted so that shouldn't be a problem
Really?!?ConfusedShocked


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 8:05pm
Just doesn't look appropriate.

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Robert


Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 9:04pm
Correct, it looks arrogant, but given the etiquette of this forum I'll stop short of saying it is arrogant.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 9:36pm
Yes, you do tend to get savaged now, a lot of humour disappeared.

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Robert


Posted By: A2Z
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 9:36pm
Hey Jimbo, good to hear from you again. Sorry to see whatís happening in Spain, I hope youíre all okay.

Just yesterday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said:
From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home.
Because the critical thing we must do is stop the disease spreading between households.

That is why people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes:

shopping for basic necessities, as infrequently as possible;
one form of exercise a day - for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household;
any medical need, to provide care or to help a vulnerable person; and
travelling to and from work, but only where this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home.
Thatís all - these are the only reasons you should leave your home.

You should not be meeting friends. If your friends ask you to meet, you should say No.

Sailing is clearly not a form of exercise that he is condoning - you canít go out your front door and straight for a sail (unless you are extremely lucky) and the potential rescue scenarios are a clear risk. The Lawn Tennis Association have insisted all affiliated clubs shut down entirely - you canít even just have a quick game with your partner at 7am. Itís a shame the RYA havenít been as decisive for sailing.





Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 9:41pm
Plus 1 A2Z, no ambiguity in walking, running or cycling.

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Robert


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 9:59pm
Cycling I can see issues with. You can cover long distances at high speed, and there are still plenty of Vans on the road to cut you up.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: NicolaJayne
Date Posted: 25 Mar 20 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

We are trying out Zoom for my wife and son's dancing school to give lessons over the internet. It seems to work pretty well. Certainly perfectly satisfactory for committee meetings.


Zoom does seem to be getting plenty of use 

 for a committee meeting  a  group video chat on facebook is more than adequate 



Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 8:12am
Kids are going to ask if we have ever been abroad, because mass travel is not going to be allowed for a very long time, people will have money for sailing, we are fortunate to have our coastline and all our lakes, will probably be a boom time for less main stream sports.


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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 9:11am
That's optimistic thinking Robert, personally I see travel bouncing back quite rapidly.  There's more invested in it!

And thanks A2Z - we're fine for now, concentration of cases isn't around our city thankfully.  I also think we've probably already had it in our family, or an early strain of it.  Half the kids in the school went down with a mystery virus in Jan / Feb, plus I was snowboarding in Ischgl the exact same weekend as this poor chap and felt particularly shoddy afterwards for a few days.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/uk-patient-zero-east-sussex-family-may-have-infected-coronavirus/" rel="nofollow - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/uk-patient-zero-east-sussex-family-may-have-infected-coronavirus/


Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 9:15am
https://houseparty.com/" rel="nofollow - https://houseparty.com/

might be an option for clubs and classes to keep some social contact....

ideas could be boat maintenance sessions, maybe a rules refresher chat or just a few cans of beer together. 

As well of course as the boring stuff like AGMs and asking the vital questions around re-allocating those people skipping duties due to lockdown.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 9:43am
I am determined to change my attitude in some way if I survive, perhaps laugh more, (certainly going to buy me a new bike Smile), not sure yet, but, something.

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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 9:45am
A2Z, club has no way of restricting access by owners to their own craft. Many owners live within 5mins walk of their boat.

It is a personal decision based upon their own moral, and ethical position  to take an informed decision as to whether they use their boat. However the centre of a river by yourself is isolated. The foreshore is large and proximity easily avoided if one should wish.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 9:56am


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Robert


Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 10:13am
Originally posted by Riv

A2Z, club has no way of restricting access by owners to their own craft. Many owners live within 5mins walk of their boat.

It is a personal decision based upon their own moral, and ethical position  to take an informed decision as to whether they use their boat. However the centre of a river by yourself is isolated. The foreshore is large and proximity easily avoided if one should wish.

It is well reported on the news, that many police forces are telling people they find in such circumstances (i.e sunbathing and sport activities) to go the f**k home as per Gov instructions. We can all argue the toss as to whether sailing is social distancing or not - but the rules are (now) clear. You can go for a walk, run, cycle or allotment once a day. Otherwise, stay at home. I am not sure why people have such a problem understanding this.


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Posted By: A2Z
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 10:18am
Originally posted by Riv

A2Z, club has no way of restricting access by owners to their own craft. Many owners live within 5mins walk of their boat.
It is a personal decision based upon their own moral, and ethical position† to take an informed decision as to whether they use their boat. However the centre of a river by yourself is isolated. The foreshore is large and proximity easily avoided if one should wish.


I understand the club canít physically restrict access, but it can - and should - put out a statement to all members that sailing is not allowed until further notice. That is simple, clear and unambiguous advice. Otherwise someone who can walk there will feel entitled, and someone who can only drive there will be envious and join them. It is NOT a personal decision, the government has been very clear. It is regrettable that the RYA has not been clearer with its https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/news/Pages/coronavirus-advice-and-information-for-recreational-boaters.aspx" rel="nofollow - message to avoid this situation.

At any rate, stay safe and act responsibly. Hope to see you all on the racecourse in the not to distant future :)


Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 10:20am
Originally posted by A2Z

 

I understand the club canít physically restrict access, but it can - and should - put out a statement to all members that sailing is not allowed until further notice. That is simple, clear and unambiguous advice. Otherwise someone who can walk there will feel entitled, and someone who can only drive there will be envious and join them. It is NOT a personal decision, the government has been very clear. It is regrettable that the RYA has not been clearer with its https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/news/Pages/coronavirus-advice-and-information-for-recreational-boaters.aspx" rel="nofollow - message to avoid this situation.

Agree on all counts. Espcially the message re-RYA


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Chris


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 10:28am
I have found over the years that sailors are probably in the higher intellectual band, have more responsible attitudes etc, what chance has government got with less organised people?

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Robert


Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 11:23am
Originally posted by 423zero

I have found over the years that sailors are probably in the higher intellectual band, have more responsible attitudes etc, what chance has government got with less organised people?




.........and elitist.

As an advert for sailing, Fail.LOL


Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 11:58am
Agree. Sends totally the wrong message.


Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 1:00pm
Intelligent? People who spend loads of money on expensive equipment so they can go out, mostly, in boats that a designed to be unstable and then get thrown in the water at the drop of a hat. I'm not sure everyone would agree Tongue

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Laser 189635
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 1:14pm
Exercise: "Alone or with members of your household". 
I don't have a bike. I do have a boat that I can walk to. (Neither of those last two statements are true, but they could be.) It's exercise - arguably no more risky than cycling on a public highway. It's alone or with household members so satisfies the social distancing aspect. Does anyone really believe that walking cycling and running are the only forms of exercise allowed? 
Tennis: Running around in the fresh air (with a bat in your hand chasing a ball) at least 2m from your opponent who may be a household member anyway. What's the damn difference?


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Nick
https://www.fireballsailing.org.uk/index.asp?selection=boat-register&subsel=14821" rel="nofollow - GBR 14821 Sijambo



Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 1:29pm
There are not as far as I am aware any restrictions on what you can do at home? I have been playing tennis this morning just strung a line between 2 stumps, could play short games of most ball games, (at home in the garden I should add). I have also mowed the grass, (supposed to rain tomorrow), have a thought for people stuck in multi occupancy buildings.


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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 1:33pm
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Nick - because if you go sailing, then everyone will want to go sailing. If you go and play tennis, everyone will want to play tennis. And before you know it, we have a social gathering before and after being on the water as we share a tinny or 2 - coz thats what we do right? People queuing to use courts, chat and socialise. Club car parks are full

And then we have the have-nots who look at us having fun and our sport becomes ever more elistist

And because its just morally wrong

And because you could be shedding virus all over the place before you even get on the water

Fer Gods Sake - lets all just do the right thing. We can enjoy it better afterwards. 

The NHS workers are putting their lives on the line, and you folk wanna go sailing and play tennis/golf or whatever your thing is? Really????

My neighbour is a Doctor for the local hospital. She normally comes home every day. I havnt seen her car since Sunday. Get real people


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Chris


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 1:40pm
Nice Post Chris, but I think we could be flogging a dead horse

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Robert


Posted By: A2Z
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Noah

Tennis: Running around in the fresh air (with a bat in your hand chasing a ball) at least 2m from your opponent who may be a household member anyway. What's the damn difference?
The LTA have closed ALL tennis clubs/courts completely.  

Compare the strong, clear guidance from the LTA with the wishywashy message from the RYA...

ďThe absolute priority of everyone in Britain needs to be protecting the health of the nation, with a requirement to dramatically adjust our behaviour to help slow the spread of the disease, prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed, and ultimately save lives. The way everyone can do this is complying with the  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf" rel="nofollow - Governmentís guidance  and staying at home.

Following the Prime Ministerís announcement on Monday evening (23 March) all tennis facilities and courts should be closed, and tennis coaching and activity should be put on hold with immediate effect.Ē



Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 2:20pm
I've just had it brought home to me, hard, just how easy it is to get things wrong. Early last week, before the strict lock down, I was out and about chasing a couple of leads on stories and planned to pop in to grab a coffee with an old friend from sailing yonks ago.... he was always a good choice for primary source material.  However, the weather intervened, I got caught out in a brisk shower without a coat and seeing I was a bit cold and wet,  decided instead to head directly home. That friend is now in trouble with CV.... had I popped in, there is a very strong possibility that by now I too would be showing symptoms. 
I've had my close call, not everyone is lucky enough to get a helpful dowsing, I'm now in strict lock down and will be until advised otherwise. It is just so easy and you're not going to know that you've made that 'bad' call until it is too late....once you have it, you have it. 
Worse - and this is not being over dramatic, of all the ways to depart this mortal coil, being alone in an isolation unit, unable to say a final farewell to loved ones as you struggle for breath, is not one I would chose. To go in this manner courtesy of my own stupidity  and belief that the advice somehow didn't apply to me would be bitter indeed, but nowhere near as bad as the thought that I might survive, whilst those close to me that I had so carelessly infected, might not.
We all have choices to make but this is not one of them. We've been told to stay in and that should be the end of it - but my guess is that there will still be those who think that they know better and that all of the available advice is somehow inapplicable.
Stay safe one and all...there is a lot of sailing to be done when this is all over!
Dougal


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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by ttc546

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Nick - because if you go sailing, then everyone will want to go sailing. If you go and play tennis, everyone will want to play tennis. And before you know it, we have a social gathering before and after being on the water as we share a tinny or 2 - coz thats what we do right? People queuing to use courts, chat and socialise. Club car parks are full

And then we have the have-nots who look at us having fun and our sport becomes ever more elistist

And because its just morally wrong

And because you could be shedding virus all over the place before you even get on the water

Fer Gods Sake - lets all just do the right thing. We can enjoy it better afterwards. 

The NHS workers are putting their lives on the line, and you folk wanna go sailing and play tennis/golf or whatever your thing is? Really????

My neighbour is a Doctor for the local hospital. She normally comes home every day. I havnt seen her car since Sunday. Get real people
  
Gov't advice is to permit exercise: in my view there's damn all difference between being out on my boat or on a bike. Do you want to take part in <choose a sport> because you see others doing it?  I certainly don't want to run when I see others looking miserable as they pound the streets.  Sailing elitist? I don't really care what others think. My boat cost less than my mate's bike. Why is one form of exercise morally wrong while another is not? Spreading virus about? On the water when I'm covered in neoprene? Compare to the mamil brigade or runners sweating in shorts & tee-shirts or vests. Don't get me wrong, I won't be going sailing anytime soon, because I can't get to it. BUT, if I were lucky enough to live on a river with a landing stage at the end of my garden I could tie a boat to I damn well would, because it's EXERCISE and it's good for my mental health and no more risky or dangerous to others than that which has been sanctioned by HMG.


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Nick
https://www.fireballsailing.org.uk/index.asp?selection=boat-register&subsel=14821" rel="nofollow - GBR 14821 Sijambo



Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 3:54pm
Very conflicted about this. I can walk about 200 yds to my boat launch and recover without causing anyone hassle and have been doing this for years so no when to say don't its risky. But I can see the moral side of not doing it because others cant.
 I would turn  up changed and return home changed so no using changing rooms.
Would I make others try it? I don't know unless they were already working out how to manage without causing anyone hassle.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 4:33pm
We now have a large Russian fleet causing issues, Royal Navy unable to assist with crisis.

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Robert


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 4:42pm
I think the point of being g able to leave your house for a walk or run is pretty simple, you go out, walk for a bit for fresh air, go back inside. Sailing, walk to the boat, rig up, launch, go sailing, bring ashore, pack away, walk home. The difference is pretty obvious to me.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Very conflicted about this. I can walk about 200 yds to my boat launch and recover without causing anyone hassle and have been doing this for years so no when to say don't its risky. But I can see the moral side of not doing it because others cant.
 I would turn  up changed and return home changed so no using changing rooms.
Would I make others try it? I don't know unless they were already working out how to manage without causing anyone hassle.

Nobody for me has blown a hole in the argument that taking my singlehander for a sail is no worse or if anything safer for me and others than riding my bike. In fact if I was to ride my bike round the reservoir it would be quite difficult to maintain social distance based upon what I saw today. I was contemplating going for a walk round but it was busier than any weekend I've seen for a long time and I didn't. The water however was unused. All 100 acres of it in a lovely force 3.

I suppose its inevitable on a nice day that people do want to go out and walk, cycle, run or whatever. I think you'll find that 3/4 of those who went to Skegness, Snowdonia etc at the weekend thought that they were doing what had been asked of them - the trouble was they all did it at the same time!

My singlehander is currently tucked up on my drive however being bimbled until restrictions are lifted. Hopefully that wont be too long!


Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 4:52pm


I think I will exit this topic, as I have said more than enough I am sure to try and impart some sense - apart from this last photo that perhaps sums up some of the posters here

Stay safe, take care. Donít be, or cause, a statistic through your own stupidity.

Love to all x


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Chris


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:02pm
I know that it is illogical but in some ways it does matter what other people think.

Yes a few might be able to fall out of their front door and into their boat. Unfortunately people seeing this don't know the full or even in this instance the short story and as is understandable at times of stress will assume the worst.

The instruction is clear on the reasons to leave home. As far as exercise goes, walking or cycling for the overwhelming majority are the only options from home. 



Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:13pm
Brexit - people lost the ability to disagree without calling those other side of the fence stupid.

Corona virus crisis - everyone thinks that have gained the right to judge people whom they know next to nothing about AND call people whom they think don't conform with their circumstances and expectations stupid.

Isn't the human race great LOL


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:20pm
Why are people who are told by the government that they can walk, run or cycle stupid for questioning someone sailing along in their boat?

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Robert


Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by Paramedic



Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Very conflicted about this. I can walk about 200 yds to my boat launch and recover without causing anyone hassle and have been doing this for years so no when to say don't its risky. But I can see the moral side of not doing it because others cant.
†I would turn† up changed and return home changed so no using changing rooms.
Would I make others try it? I don't know unless they were already working out how to manage without causing anyone hassle.

Nobody for me has blown a hole in the argument that taking my singlehander for a sail is no worse or if anything safer for me and others than riding my bike. In fact if I was to ride my bike round the reservoir it would be quite difficult to maintain social distance based upon what I saw today. I was contemplating going for a walk round but it was busier than any weekend I've seen for a long time and I didn't. The water however was unused. All 100 acres of it in a lovely force 3.
I suppose its inevitable on a nice day that people do want to go out and walk, cycle, run or whatever. I think you'll find that 3/4 of those who went to Skegness, Snowdonia etc at the weekend thought that they were doing what had been asked of them - the trouble was they all did it at the same time!
My singlehander is currently tucked up on my drive however being bimbled until restrictions are lifted. Hopefully that wont be too long!



Because, rightly or wrongly, you will be perceived as a bit of a t**ser.

Sailing doesn't need the stereotype extended.

The LTA are doing the right thing, of course the bloody Royal Yachting Association remains the epitome of british exceptionalism and elitist w**kery.


Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:45pm
Well our club has made the decision for us - locked the gates and changed the code for both gates and club house, now unquestionably off limits

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RS600 810


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:45pm
Personally, I think it was an error to include cycling. Suddenly equipment and speed are introduced, which opens up travelling as far from home as you might drive for a walk.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:49pm
Agree, but then a number of key workers couldn't get across London without their bike


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

e bloody Royal Yachting Association remains the epitome of british exceptionalism and elitist w**kery.

So what do you do if you live on your boat?

People do. Narrowboats, motor cruisers and yachts.



Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 6:01pm
I feel the context here is recreational boating, not permanent residence


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 6:06pm
Bound to be mistakes, everyone having to learn new things, including the government. I have just received a letter from my local council, reitering what the government has decided, they can also fetch food and medicines if you need it, they will not take money, they will sort it out when crisis is over, how serious does it seem now, every residential address in Sandwell received same letter.

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Robert


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 6:10pm
Well yes maybe cycling could be abused. 
However, it can be undertaken from home, there is no need to stop and potentially contact others to buy fuel or need to find a parking area with potential contacts.



Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

I feel the context here is recreational boating, not permanent residence

Maybe true but thats why you cant just ban people from using boats. People who live by the canal might pop a canoe in and got off for an hour or so - it maintains social distance, doesn't bother anyone and means one less person walking in the local park. I don't think anyone is suggesting or condoning doing anything not in the spirit of whats - rightly - been laid down by the powers that be. 


Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 6:31pm
Another classic 'spirit of the rules'... either way, you look like you're ignoring them and it's hardly a show of solidarity to your brethren is it?

Anyway, with flexibility comes abuse, and every b**tard is a runner/wlaker/outdoorsy type now, when they only left the house once last month to get a new iPhone charger.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 7:02pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

Agree, but then a number of key workers couldn't get across London without their bike


You are allowed to drive or cycle to work, so not the same as exercise anyway.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 7:14pm
Actually we have been banned by our Harbour Master from using our boats.  Much though I would love to go sailing, I really donít think it would be sit well with our local community, so I will settle for an hours walk or jog ... on the scale of things not much of a hardship

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Happily living in the past


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 7:35pm
Millions will be able to stand tall at the end of this, let everyone at the very least not get in there way.

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Robert


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 8:07pm
Perhaps we should just follow the rules.



Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 8:18pm
Can't see the problem............SmileSmileSmile
https://www.facebook.com/groups/intcontender/



Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 26 Mar 20 at 9:03pm
All paid up at both of my clubs.
Sailing is such a great release and the people at both places are great. Simple as that really.
I want both places to be able to open at the end of this so no hesitation in paying up.

The way we carry out our daily lives is going to see a long-term change for sure, but once out on the water it'll be just the same as it was.....and that thought makes me smile Smile


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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Intl 420 ('Little Minx'),Contender 'Mild Oats' (620), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack'



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