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Endeavour Trophy 2019

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Topic: Endeavour Trophy 2019
Posted By: H2
Subject: Endeavour Trophy 2019
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 9:33am
Interested to follow this years Endeavour "Champion of Champions" event this weekend with light winds on Saturday and breezy on Sunday it was something for everyone. Always interesting to see how the best helms from each fleet end up overall in the same boat, on the same course in the same conditions and wish that those that come up with Handicaps at RYA and Great Lakes would take it into account when revising the PYs each year. Its one of the few ways that fleets can be calibrated.

Great to see our Jack Holden come home 9th overall - he finished 2nd at our H2 nationals this summer but our National Champion is a pilot and could not get the time off. Nice to be able to rank how we are as a fleet against the best of the Aero, Blaze, K1 etc!


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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 10:18am
Experience in the boat (RS200) is always going to be an advantage though, and any regular pairing coming from an assy double hander will have a bit of a head start over two singlehanded helms sharing the boat. I don't suppose the differences add up to much though and it's great to see the best UK sailors battling it out.

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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 10:23am
Sure Sam - I was looking at "similar" boats such as Aero, Blaze, K1, Streaker, Supernova etc which are arguably all new to crewed boats with a spinnaker! Its an interesting idea that this is the only objective way to take a snap shot of the relative competitiveness of various fleets around the UK. I am not sure if that is right or wrong - just a thought!

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 10:27am
True enough Wink

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Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 10:36am
I've always felt it was fairer when sailed in Enterprises, removing the advantage held by those used to sailing with kites

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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 11:17am
Although its interesting that Laser, Streaker, H2 and K1 all made it into the top 10 whereas the RS800 (14th), 2000 (19th) and 29er (23rd) all of which should be used to sailing with a Asymmetric Kite and a Crew did not do so well as compared to their singlehander competition!

I mean - I thought the RS800 was a really competitive class that should be used to sailing a modern skiff type boat!


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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 11:22am
lucky enough to be on the water this weekend filming, has to be said if you can, it is absolutley worth getting in a specator boat for this event!

the sailing from everyone was impressive, but the youth cntingent did themselves proud and really showed cool heads, grit and determination throughout the weekend, especially when it got windy, case in point is the two optimist sailors who being the smallest and well under weight for a 200 beasted the boat around and hiked harder than anyone else on the course and always beaming smiles too.

day 1

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day 2

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 11:43am
Yes, super impressed by the youth classes reps, especially the Oppi sailors, brilliant job guys Clap

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 11:52am
Originally posted by H2

Although its interesting that Laser, Streaker, H2 and K1 all made it into the top 10 whereas the RS800 (14th), 2000 (19th) and 29er (23rd) all of which should be used to sailing with a Asymmetric Kite and a Crew did not do so well as compared to their singlehander competition!
I mean - I thought the RS800 was a really competitive class that should be used to sailing a modern skiff type boat!


It's very tidal, is there anyone in the RS800 fleet competent in tide?

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Posted By: Fatboi
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by H2

Although its interesting that Laser, Streaker, H2 and K1 all made it into the top 10 whereas the RS800 (14th), 2000 (19th) and 29er (23rd) all of which should be used to sailing with a Asymmetric Kite and a Crew did not do so well as compared to their singlehander competition!

I mean - I thought the RS800 was a really competitive class that should be used to sailing a modern skiff type boat!

Jack has done a tonne of RS200 sailing - been top 5 at the nationals before, so in good stead for the Endeavor.

I think it is a shame its in the 200. Would be better in something which took a wider range of weight. I did it a couple of times in the Xenon, which was a great leveler as no-one sailed them and they could take a full range. Ben won both years I did it, but Nick Craig was a lot more competitive. The 200 holds him back a bit being a 90kg(ish) helm.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 2:18pm
Finding a boat in which two Finn sailors can compete fairly against a couple of Oppi sailors is an impossible task and it would be a shame to leave the youngsters out in the cold in the interests of giving a few more big guys a chance. I don't know the Endeavour conditions of entry though, do both sailors have to be from the class they represent or can the Phantom rep pick a lightweight crew?

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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Finding a boat in which two Finn sailors can compete fairly against a couple of Oppi sailors is an impossible task and it would be a shame to leave the youngsters out in the cold in the interests of giving a few more big guys a chance. I don't know the Endeavour conditions of entry though, do both sailors have to be from the class they represent or can the Phantom rep pick a lightweight crew?


Andy Couch, Phantom champ, has been teaching his son by sharing an Oppy with him recently. Clearly he has the crew ( and the skills!) . They just need a rule adjustment!


Posted By: Fatboi
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 2:32pm
You can sail with whoever you like, so no drama re a rules adjustment! A boat with a ideal weight of 125-130kgs is just a little shy in my opinion. 

If there was something that could take 130-150 would be perfect. That boat may not exist though!! 

I completely agree that the nippers should be included. It is great when they fire in a good result. Everyone loves that


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 3:47pm
I'd have said anything bigger than a 200 would put it out of reach of the typical Oppi/Tera/Topper 4.2 helm. They are at as much of a disadvantage as the 90kg helm as it stands.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 5:06pm
A shame indeed that Alto didn't catch on, it would be ideal for that event and it would be interesting to see if and when using the swinging pole and sailing deep, tactically beat pursuing hot angles.

I'd love to watch that with a bunch of top guys, point of fact I've always wanted to go up and watch that event anyway, I never seem to catch any pre publicity for it, by the time I get to hear about it it's already day two.

I agree the 200 isn't ideal, but a lot of folk have sailed them and it is a testing boat.

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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 7:56pm
A 2000 would be a better choice. Fairly underpowered but carries weight.
The 200 is a bit too sensitive.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Oct 19 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by craiggo

A 2000 would be a better choice. Fairly underpowered but carries weight.
The 200 is a bit too sensitive.


Yes, and they are plentiful, easier to use, so better to use across a mix of helms from different classes.

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