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Topic: New Olympic Event
Posted By: rich96
Subject: New Olympic Event
Date Posted: 10 May 19 at 6:52am
This is going to make the so called 'prohibitively expensive' classes like the Star, Soling etc look like pocket money:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vsl4kzp8klhi8k/Mixed%20Two%20Person%20Offshore%20Keelboat%20Event_Working%20Paper.pdf?dl=0

https://www.sailingillustrated.com/single-post/2019/05/09/World-Sailing-Heres-the-entire-2024-Mixed-Two-Person-Keelboat-Offshore-paper-approved-by-the-WS-Board-at-its-February-2019-meeting-the-draft-plan-is-breathtaking-in-cost-and-complexity-laying-out-the-most-controversial-and-expensive-sailing-event-for-both-competitors-and-organizers-in-Olympic-history?utm_campaign=c38cc74c-6e27-4224-86d6-9278514cfbc8&utm_source=so


It will epitimise what non sailors already say about sailing - expensive and elitist.

Will there ever have been an Olympic event that is so expensive and complex ?



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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 May 19 at 1:18pm
Given it used to be in meter classes, yes. But yes, looks expensive.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 19 May 19 at 8:28pm
I thought the Olympics where supposed to be drug free

50% of sailors sail offshore keel boats
Round the word races are spectator sports
Participation cost will be low

Completely bonkers, 

World Sailing says the D-zero distracts from athleticism because of adjustable mast rake and trailer options but adding lead is athletic.



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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 9:34am
Hum

Completely bonkers, how on earth is this an Olympic event. 

https://www.sailing.org/news/88920.php#.XezCHS-nyhB" rel="nofollow - https://www.sailing.org/news/88920.php#.XezCHS-nyhB




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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 4:30pm
No logic I can see.

Obviously it would be far too simple to use International Flying Fifteens over good long inshore courses. Completely open teams so long as the crew is mixed in any configuration.


Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 5:47pm
Two person offshore in a Star Boat would be interesting and appease the Star Boat lobby 

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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 6:24pm
[QUOTE=davidyacht] Two person offshore in a Star Boat would be interesting and appease the Star Boat lobby .

And an opportunity for the French rescue services to prove they are (nearly) as good as the RNLI

World Sailing seem set on a course to try and remove interesting race sailing from the event


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Do Different

No logic I can see.

Obviously it would be far too simple to use International Flying Fifteens over good long inshore courses. Completely open teams so long as the crew is mixed in any configuration.

Fully agree a 4 to 6 hour race in ‘conventional’ day boat would do everything this does at a fraction the cost and be much more accessible to developing countries. It is all scrambled up, they want more inclusive sailing and then agree this, yes the actual Olympic boats are provided but a serious campaign will be the most expensive campaign in teal terms for a very long time


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 6:53pm
Like it or not boats with lids are a big part of the sport worldwide. And Its hard to argue against the proposition that at the moment it gets far more in the way of spectators and people following than inshore racing does. It will be interesting to see how it pans out. A longer race might be even better, but comes with the risk it will turn into a procession half way through.



Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 7:06pm
Not many working people could afford these boats, (perhaps Doctors and Barristers ?), (the big talk about affordability and inclusion total bull). Probably excluding majority of Worlds countries too.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Not many working people could afford these boats, (perhaps Doctors and Barristers ?), (the big talk about affordability and inclusion total bull). Probably excluding majority of Worlds countries too.
+1


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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by JimC

Like it or not boats with lids are a big part of the sport worldwide. And Its hard to argue against the proposition that at the moment it gets far more in the way of spectators and people following than inshore racing does. It will be interesting to see how it pans out. A longer race might be even better, but comes with the risk it will turn into a procession half way through.


I would love to know when (in the UK) these boats with lids actually sail. All I ever see are increasing large marinas with ever more inactive boats. I am sure they may do the odd big race or occasion week but actual participation I am suspicious about. 

Heavily sponsored big boats (mono and multi) are very skewed representation of the sport. If was in the market for a suit I’d go to Next and buy a new sail rather than a Hugo Boss. 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 7:57pm
The justification for dropping Star was affordability.


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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 8:01pm
The Star is relatively expensive, the world has moved on in 108 years, there are plenty on suitable one design keelboats without lids




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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 8:13pm
Certainly ratings for the six hour tv programme as the finishers straggle over the line are not going to be great


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 8:19pm
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Certainly ratings for the six hour tv programme as the finishers straggle over the line are not going to be great
More interesting than a two day race, at least with 6 hours it can be scheduled in a days racing. This is like trying to turn climbing Mount Everest into an Olympic sport by racing up Ben Nevis. 


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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 8:51pm
I meant that the TV will just totally ignore the race 30 mins after the start, and then stumble around a very long process of the finish.

But I like your mountain race example



Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I meant that the TV will just totally ignore the race 30 mins after the start, and then stumble around a very long process of the finish.

But I like your mountain race example

Yeah that sounds about right, no mater what they with graphics it isn’t going to be gripping close boat on boat. With the advent of TV sailing haven’t races got shorter? 

People do keep up to date with long cricket matches by checking in every now and then, I expect the boats will have trackers you could look at every hour, Cricket does have real people watching in a stadium mind. 


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Posted By: KazRob
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

Two person offshore in a Star Boat would be interesting and appease the Star Boat lobby 

It has been tried (singlehanded)
http://www.pressure-drop.us/forums/showthread.php?4834-Atlantic-Crossing-In-A-Star" rel="nofollow - By a mad Italian

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 08 Dec 19 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by tink

I would love to know when (in the UK) these boats with lids actually sail. All I ever see are increasing large marinas with ever more inactive boats. I am sure they may do the odd big race or occasion week but actual participation I am suspicious about.

Big boats with lids sail all over the place, Holyhead Yacht Club is not a large Solent based club but they get half a dozen or more 30'+ boats out on a weekend or summer Wednesday night. I'd guess the same happens in the North West/North Wales, Caernarfon, Abersoch, Barmouth, Liverpool, Fleetwood and many other places around the country. Some dinghy clubs can't get that many out in a single fleet.


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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 6:57am
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by tink

I would love to know when (in the UK) these boats with lids actually sail. All I ever see are increasing large marinas with ever more inactive boats. I am sure they may do the odd big race or occasion week but actual participation I am suspicious about.

Big boats with lids sail all over the place, Holyhead Yacht Club is not a large Solent based club but they get half a dozen or more 30'+ boats out on a weekend or summer Wednesday night. I'd guess the same happens in the North West/North Wales, Caernarfon, Abersoch, Barmouth, Liverpool, Fleetwood and many other places around the country. Some dinghy clubs can't get that many out in a single fleet.

I stand corrected but something I have never seen, I must be wrong place at wrong time. Probably blinkered glasses of die in the wool dinghy sailor. 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 7:06am
I am sure they race at Rutland water and Carsington.

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 7:32am
Granted people race yachts both country and worldwide.

Is it an Olympic event though? 

To my mind absolutely not, for reasons of expense and accessibility. 

Olympic endeavour may well be about attaining elite standards but the events should come from a place available to the wider populace.






Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 9:41am
If the boats are going to be supplied at all International events then the cost of ownership for the individual crews will be considerably reduced. No need to own multiple boats so one can be in transit somewhere and so on. Fewer sails to buy. No doubt there will be hefty charter fees though unless loads of sponsorship can be found, but my understanding is that buying boats isn't one of the biggest items in an Olympic campaign budget.


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 6:05pm
You still need a relatively expensive boat to train with and for the training to be meaningful other boats of a similar standard to train and race against. Not cheap or inclusive. 

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 7:04pm
These guys seam up for it

https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/224829/Pretty-handy" rel="nofollow - https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/224829/Pretty-handy

Olympic medals for the middle aged middle class 





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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 8:42pm
There isn't a problem with expensive sports in Olympics, no sport dearer than show jumping, issue caused by World sailings muddled messages.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 8:55pm
From a terrible click bate website 
 
Not sure how reliable 

Shooting (approximately $700,000 to $1.5 million a year)

Professional shooters average anywhere between 500-1,000 rounds a day at $16 per 25 shots for targets and ammunition, according to Kim Rhode, who holds the world-record for winning five consecutive medals. That comes to $5,000-7,000 a day in full training. A gun can cost anywhere between $6,000 to $300,000. Rhode spent between $20,000-$30,000 on her custom gun.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 9:13pm
Would be surprised if they pay for shells, targets or guns, they will be paid by Eley or whoever.

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 10:01pm
I would agree with anyone who says that Olympic engagement in any sport is very expensive.

My point and opinion is that I like to think of Olympic sports as being accessible to most as grass roots level.
   


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 09 Dec 19 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Would be surprised if they pay for shells, targets or guns, they will be paid by Eley or whoever.

True, just like olympic sailors being sponsored by North or Harken or whoever (I suspect she may have paid for her custom gun, though probably not the $30k you or I would have to stump up for one, a bit like Ben's Finn). The issue is always sponsorship, when the Olympics was all amateur sponsorship was not allowed (or at least strictly controlled) and the only 'professional' sportsmen were 'employed' in the armed forces of certain Nations. I didn't like the Olympics allowing professionals to compete but, with hindsight, it may well have levelled the playing field.


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Posted By: NicolaJayne
Date Posted: 10 Dec 19 at 2:45am
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by 423zero

Would be surprised if they pay for shells, targets or guns, they will be paid by Eley or whoever.

True, just like olympic sailors being sponsored by North or Harken or whoever (I suspect she may have paid for her custom gun, though probably not the $30k you or I would have to stump up for one, a bit like Ben's Finn). The issue is always sponsorship, when the Olympics was all amateur sponsorship was not allowed (or at least strictly controlled) and the only 'professional' sportsmen were 'employed' in the armed forces of certain Nations. I didn't like the Olympics allowing professionals to compete but, with hindsight, it may well have levelled the playing field.

including those of  NATO nations as well as the   WarPac


Posted By: marwen
Date Posted: 05 Jun 20 at 10:44am
Due to the Covid-19 outbreak, the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 were postponed for the first time in their history. The Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 will now be held on 23 July 2021



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