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Topic: laser or ok?
Posted By: sawman
Subject: laser or ok?
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 4:36pm
might need to get me a single hander as prime crew off to Uni' this year.
The single handers mainly sailed in our neck of the woods are lasers, couple of phantoms and a couple of D1s.

I occasionally have a grumbling knee cartilage, am the wrong side of 50, and tip the scales at about 85 kg.

The laser would be an easy choice to make - I borrowed one the other day and it wasn't as bad as i had thought it might have been - there are a few about for not much cash, but after a few repeated and one crash tack I wondered how my dodgy knee would stand up to it

I have always admired the OK from afar but never had a go. I have the impression it might be a bit more comfortable than the laser, plus there is the possibility of a nice bit of woodwork to polish.

budget is less than 1K if poss

anyone got experience of both??



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 7:49pm
Laser easier to sail than the OK, well I think so anyway, plus if you use smaller Laser sail you won't be thrown about so much.


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Laser easier to sail than the OK,


in what way, if you don't mind me asking?


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 8:29pm
I just find the OK very tippy.


Posted By: KazRob
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 8:42pm
Give the OK a go (there's a class demo boat you can try out) as it's a delightful little boat. For me one of the big plusses is it's so comfortable and sailable downwind with the deep cockpit. No need to be on your knees downwind as you can perch on the traveller/side decks and there's more than enough room under the boom. Have a look at the class website as there's usually a range of boats available (and well sailed old boats, with a good rig are proving pretty competitive)
http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/" rel="nofollow - http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/
http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/" rel="nofollow -


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OK 2139 & 2148


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by KazRob

Give the OK a go (there's a class demo boat you can try out) as it's a delightful little boat. For me one of the big plusses is it's so comfortable and sailable downwind with the deep cockpit. No need to be on your knees downwind as you can perch on the traveller/side decks and there's more than enough room under the boom. Have a look at the class website as there's usually a range of boats available (and well sailed old boats, with a good rig are proving pretty competitive)
http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/" rel="nofollow - http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/
http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/classifieds/" rel="nofollow -


Cheers, I did have a look over on the class website, looks like I could get kitted out for 1k. I couldn't find a "buyers guide" whats the concensus on wood versus frp/composite at the low end of the market? How does the demo boat thing work?


Posted By: KazRob
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 9:36pm
For the demo boat email the class chairman and vice chairman (contacts at http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/british-ok-dinghy-association-contacts/) as they normally know where it is and when it will be available. The boat itself is a refurbished older boat and goes pretty well now! (http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/news/demo-boat/).
I think the wooden boats are probably a better bet and there's certainly plenty of examples of 20 and even 40 year old boats doing remarkably well after a refurb and new rig - as with everything it depends what you want to spend and how keen you are! Have a chat with Dave the vice chairman as he refurbished the demo boat and knows more than me. If you do the FB thing there is a British OK sailors group to ask questions on as well


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OK 2139 & 2148


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by KazRob

For the demo boat email the class chairman and vice chairman (contacts at http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/british-ok-dinghy-association-contacts/) as they normally know where it is and when it will be available. The boat itself is a refurbished older boat and goes pretty well now! (http://www.okdinghy.co.uk/news/demo-boat/).
I think the wooden boats are probably a better bet and there's certainly plenty of examples of 20 and even 40 year old boats doing remarkably well after a refurb and new rig - as with everything it depends what you want to spend and how keen you are! Have a chat with Dave the vice chairman as he refurbished the demo boat and knows more than me. If you do the FB thing there is a British OK sailors group to ask questions on as well


cool, just joined the british OK group. btw, whats the general feeling about current PY number - is it helpful or hindrance in handicap racing?


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Jun 18 at 6:40am
But no one decides what boat to buy because of its yardstick...

I'm sure I read that somewhere!

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 02 Jun 18 at 6:52am
I had the same dilemma when I sold my 700. I wanted a simple singlehander that I could chuck a sail up and sail with minimal fuss. I couldn't bear the thought of another Laser so I got an OK and I love it.

There are some conditions on handicap where the PY isn't helpful but generally I have good racing with the Lasers and do alright at my club.

If you can its worth finding a 2nd hand carbon mast but you can work towards it and use a tin rig in the interim.



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OK 2129
RS200 411


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 02 Jun 18 at 11:00am
Originally posted by craiggo

I had the same dilemma when I sold my 700. I wanted a simple singlehander that I could chuck a sail up and sail with minimal fuss. I couldn't bear the thought of another Laser so I got an OK and I love it.

There are some conditions on handicap where the PY isn't helpful but generally I have good racing with the Lasers and do alright at my club.

If you can its worth finding a 2nd hand carbon mast but you can work towards it and use a tin rig in the interim.



Good to know.
Last time I was in this position about 15 years ago (ie looking for a single hander, but trying to avoid the Laser ) I considered an OK and even went as far as going to the dinghy show to have a closer look at some for some reason I ended up with an RS vareo, which I didn't really gel with


Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 05 Jun 18 at 3:17pm
Give the OK a go.... worst case scenario you don't like it and move it on again for what you paid for it.  

 The Laser isn't going anywhere and will always be something to fall back on during those less inspired patches of a sailing lifecycle.

I wouldn't worry about the PY too much.... it's only handicap racing and you'll know how well you sailed long before you've packed the boat up, never mind checked the club web page the next day during your coffee break.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Jun 18 at 4:45pm
I had an OK in my youth, when I was looking for a second singlehander for the lake I seriously considered another but couldn't bring myself to buy a wooden one so bought a Supernova instead (which I didn't get on with and sold again this spring). As you like the idea of a wooden boat I'd say buy an OK, they are a lovely boat to sail.

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 05 Jun 18 at 8:18pm
Thanks for the encouragement chaps - I guess this is a project for next season, so will keep half an eye out and see what pops upon the OK market.


Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 06 Jun 18 at 9:41am
There are some good OKs currently for sale on the OK website. You don't need to go for wood. There are grp boats and composite that are all competitive.

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OK 2129
RS200 411


Posted By: KazRob
Date Posted: 08 Jun 18 at 6:43pm
There's a really nice boat on the FB dinghies for sale group at less than 1k. One of Dave Rose's boats that have a great reputation (20yr old example was 3rd in Euros a few years ago). Think there is a carbon rig available for some more
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dinghies/permalink/1754670271239077/?sale_post_id=1754670271239077


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OK 2139 & 2148


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 08 Jun 18 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by KazRob

There's a really nice boat on the FB dinghies for sale group at less than 1k. One of Dave Rose's boats that have a great reputation (20yr old example was 3rd in Euros a few years ago). Think there is a carbon rig available for some more
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dinghies/permalink/1754670271239077/?sale_post_id=1754670271239077


saw that, looks tidy. pity its 400 miles away!



Posted By: KazRob
Date Posted: 08 Jun 18 at 9:01pm
Never mind! Btw it's the OK Northern's at Filey in a couple of weeks - not sure what the demo boat is up to at the moment but worth an ask if you're north-ish

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OK 2139 & 2148


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 08 Jun 18 at 10:09pm
Yes, I have half a plan to go to filey with the scorpion - but not a solid enough plan to set up a demo, hopefully if I get there, I will get a close look at the fleet.
The last time I was anywhere near an OK was  back in the 1980s, Ron Parkin used to sail his  at our club from time to time


Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 11 Jun 18 at 7:47am
Hi Sawman
Just seen a couple of Phantom's come up on dinghies for sale on Facebook that fall within your budget. one GRP and a woody.
Just as an alternative option for your budget.
Good luck
Gordon


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Gordon
Phantom 1430


Posted By: sawman
Date Posted: 13 Jun 18 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Hi Sawman
Just seen a couple of Phantom's come up on dinghies for sale on Facebook that fall within your budget. one GRP and a woody.
Just as an alternative option for your budget.
Good luck
Gordon


I did try an old phantom once, not sure it is very kind on the knees



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