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Topic: Tales from aFarr
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: Tales from aFarr
Date Posted: 03 Apr 18 at 12:15pm
Well I finally got it all together, just about in time for the 1st race of the season at Hythe amid much appreciation on the looks of a properly disguised wood core epoxy hybrid as I call it when asked what's it made of.

Even had some help and insistence I didn't let it touch the shingle (I had planned the customary picture to wind up the Facebook mob) It was offshore had been 17 mph earlier but was dropping fast then naturally as soon as we shoved off it almost vanished entirely then began switching around NNE thru WNW absolutely no chance to get wired in.

So we shuffled out to the downwind mark it's a fair way out and the principle reason I've switched from hiking to wiring this year, well I will get on the wire one day, when I've finally got the wires of equal length and the right height, this however wasn't my main problem.

The nightmare came every couple of seconds as the plate shot back up to contact the boom as there's nothing to hold it down and it wasn't a tight fit so something I've got to sort later. Funny the last brand new boat I took on the water (a demo Solution) the plate wouldn't stay down, I can see why it's a problem in a confined workshop, but never the less annoying. Then again as SWMBO pointed out who but a complete and total idiot only ever goes out to race and would consider taking something straight out of the box onto the startline.

So it was a weird race me having to try and stand on the plate to keep it down, it shooting to the surface every few seconds (it would stay down if there was any sideways pressure but the wind kept dropping to nothing and immediately it would pop up so you can imagine what sort of start in 1st beat it was.

It was silly stupid wind we had a puff to start and I went off the line with an RS100 that I held for a bit but the plate popped up I started freaking and he slowly pulled away, the other end of the line had equal issues and there was of course the inevitable tide you kind of forget about with a winter of closed water lake sailing,

I eventually went round the 1st mark DFL with a Contender, we'd both managed to drift from hole to hole, all the Lasers had caught up and over taken us, he'd had enough and went in, I carried on to see what would happen off wind (the Lasers were already at the gybe mark stalled in another hole) it filled in enough for me to catch them, there then ensued a tacking battle against the tide to try and get round the mark which took another five minutes and I made it round first. The faster boats, a Blaze, an RS600 and the RS100 were long gone back down at the leeward mark and had been making no progress against the tide so the race abandoned signal howled from the club as the already too cold rescue crews considered their predicament of getting the boats that had been ahead back to the club as they were considerably down tide and the wind had all but gone.

So inconclusive really as far as the boat is concerned. I learned a few things, it'll be as I suspected hard work to deal with just about everything we have in light weather, Blaze, RS100, 600 all just marched away when the wind did fill in, before the wind finally went squirrel stupid I was just behind them but ahead of the Lasers, they then also overwhelmed us mainly due to lack of concentration, so it might help if the plate doesn't keep popping up. Off wind will probably be it's strong point where the light weight will help, if I can get on the wire then it'll be a whole new game, such a shame it didn't just blow enough for one wire run.

As to its sailing quality if felt like a glove, just slipped it on and off we went, not unlike the Solution, little bit of weather helm, but that could be the plate, there was a position you could almost hold it down by raking it back (something I guess you do when it's windy) at no time did I feel threatened by it and it footsteers a treat, probably is the closest thing I've sailed to a race board. So I'll get some bungee chord to hold the plate where I want it and try again, then report back.


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Posted By: Neal_g
Date Posted: 03 Apr 18 at 4:20pm
Igrf
On the centre board if it's loose might be m
Worth sticking either some loop Velcro in the bottom and tip if the case or some webbing soaked in evo stick which should give some fiction to assist keeping the board in place

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Posted By: chris_wht
Date Posted: 04 Apr 18 at 9:25am
was this the one at the dinghy show?

looked rather nice, but let down by the obvious fake carbon sticker on the foredeck. couldnt you have gone single skin of laminate and clearcoat? wouldnt add much weight if any, or is it not allowed in class?   


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 04 Apr 18 at 9:53am
The 'wrapping' fooled quite a few, as was intended and yes I asked for an all carbon deck but the boat was already in an advanced build state given I ordered it a few weeks ahead of the show on the proviso that I decide what it looked like hence the decision to 'wrap' rather than wait for another which I believe they are now going to go with carbon or carbon laminate of ply as this one turned out as well as it did.

Wrapping however has certain advantages in that it can be removed and replaced should I decide on a different 'look' at a later date. The key factor however is that it disguises all that ghastly 'wood' core that woodbotherers might spend hours polish or varnishing to look like old furniture. I could of course simply change the wrap and have polished wood effect should i ever totally lose my mind.

Then again I could go with polished aluminium, or total chrome.. the options are endless



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Apr 18 at 12:09pm
Hmmm baby blue chrome or gold leaf.
Nice looking boat, would be disappointed that a new boat needed fettling, loose daggerboard ?


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 04 Apr 18 at 1:19pm
Symptomatic of the dinghy business I'm afraid, I've bought let me think 4 or is it 5 brand new boats and not one of them worked satisfactorily without further fettling as you call it. It's best to buy late low mileage from someone who's already sorted the boat, my Solution has been the best buy so far in working straight off the trailer, the guy who owned it before me had done a good job, which I soon buggered up.
I very nearly bought a really good used Farr but it was a bit of a drive, initially over priced and it looked too 'wooden' I'm not unhappy with this, making a daggerboard stay down is no problem I should have thought of it before I sailed it, but you know how it is, keen to get it on the water..

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 04 Apr 18 at 2:33pm
The only new boat I bought which didn't need a bit of work was the Solo, everything else needed something sorting.  

Low mileage, nearly new is definitely the way forward.

And anyone getting interested in the Farr has a couple to choose from on the second hand market currently.  

I can't think what has changed since the dinghy exhibition to decimate half the UK fleet - I'd lay a pound to a penny there's nothing wrong with the boats. LOL


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 06 Apr 18 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by turnturtle


I can't think what has changed since the dinghy exhibition to decimate half the UK fleet - I'd lay a pound to a penny there's nothing wrong with the boats. LOL

Sadly the reason 2 of the 18 (IIRC) in build or built UK boats are for sale is nothing to do with the 19th owner! ;-) Unfortunately, it is purely bad health on the part of the two sellers. If you knew Myles's and his story you'd know he wouldn't be selling if there was another option. Peter, on the other hand, is just a great big girl's blouse and only needs to have his hips replaced!

BTW Myles has dropped his price.


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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 06 Apr 18 at 5:41pm
iGRF - yep it fits like a glove, and feels like a Race Board. You will want to move the board angle around to suit your rig rake and rudder feel. 

It would be good to read the Farr 3.7 set up / how to pages on the UK and or NZ websites...

And, err... the 29er has internal ply frames over composite too. So you are in good company.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 06 Apr 18 at 7:33pm
I've fixed it and we're ready to rock. Changed trap halyards to fast red, sorted the plate, added a bungy. I nearly went out today solo, to do a bit of wave jumping, but reeled my enthusiasm in, got to stay grown up a bit longer, but geezz this thing is light and I'm so going to chuck it about...

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Apr 18 at 2:28pm
That's it, I've jinxed it, two weeks no wind I mean today it was zero, anemometer completely still. Prepare for a still summer now I've got a new boat that needs a bit of wind...

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 08 Apr 18 at 6:55pm
I thought everyday’s a Saturday for you elderly pensioners?

There must some wind next week?

(And it’s not just you, I got skunked yesterday too... I was too desperate to sail and neglected what would have been a fair SUP session if I’d used brain not heart)


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Apr 18 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

I thought everyday’s a Saturday for you elderly)
Some of us still have to frikken work which means having to travel to far flung shores and get beasted on kites with small boards in big waves in hot sun. Gutted but somebody had to do it, consider it supreme self sacrifice. Interesting rumour out here however concerning North Sails and North Sails wind and kitesurfing divorcing much to my delight.

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 16 Apr 18 at 11:44am
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by turnturtle

I thought everyday’s a Saturday for you elderly)
Some of us still have to frikken work which means having to travel to far flung shores and get beasted on kites with small boards in big waves in hot sun. Gutted but somebody had to do it, consider it supreme self sacrifice. Interesting rumour out here however concerning North Sails and North Sails wind and kitesurfing divorcing much to my delight.

Yep, I saw that on the parallel universe... although that place has gone to the dogs - it’s all foilers vs the abashed over there.   No space left for step gybing, north sails rigging and fanatic riding grooveriders to seek advice and be condescended to.  

Anyway, no... I don’t think for one minute they’ll invest in the windsurfing brand and start up a new loft.  

Don’t boards and more own Arrows - that’s surely a legacy brand worthy of renewal?


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Apr 18 at 6:34pm
Well I finally got her on the water today in nearly trapezing weather, we had a sunny easterly and with the tide on the shove just enough to ease into the trapeze and check if my efforts to keep the plate down have come to fruition.
I can't say it comes naturally to me, i still have issues without a boom to hold onto and can't quite work out where the stick and mainsheet go, how high the rings should be, but we muddled about.

From the off I turned to kick the trailer up the beach, turned back round to see her sail off on her own and had to run then swim hard for it. Good news bad news really, good news it's stable even without the plate, bad news if I ever fall out of it.

It's a lively ride not as easy as I was expecting, still a few control line issues and I'm not happy to have the cleating bit, it cost me a swim in what should have been a tame gybe, then the rudder fell off while the boat was turtled so it was a fair few minutes messing about with the boat upside down trying to get the rudder back on, then it didn't come up as quick as I'd have expected, especially with the main still cleated and the kicker on, but we live and not learn....

It's now been blooded, literally I gashed a thumb so there's blood on the sail and the war begins, it's going to be an interesting summer, seems to go alright though, didn't feel at all compromised paced alongside a Vario for a bit and she lives with that OK, time will tell, forecast for wind tomorrow we'll see what the race environment brings, but today was fun, the bits where I was upright and the odd time when i trapped off the footsteps, not enough to get on the side today. I still haven't totally cured the plate coming adrift and floating up, more tape required and i had another issue with the trap lines I'm frankly to embarrassed to even discuss, just me f**king things up that were perfectly OK to start with.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Apr 18 at 8:52pm
Sounds like the day I have had, I converted my Mirror back to Aft main, which I have never mastered and still haven't.
I gashed my thumb too, a nice deep cut.
First the Gaff fell dropping on my crews head, then followed every comedy event you get in sailing, including really violent collision with a Laser at full chat, "T" boned us and knocked a hole in side, luckily above the water line, impact was so violent it blew bungs out of side tank, we finished up buried in a tree.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Apr 18 at 9:34pm
Blimey Rob, quite a day!

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Apr 18 at 10:09pm
Laser driver was appalled at what happened, fairly new sailor, quite good though, couldn't understand why his boat wouldn't turn, he had helm hard over but he was heeled so far over in a gust boat wouldn't turn, had a good laugh about it, wanted to paint boat anyway.


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 22 Apr 18 at 6:18am
Sounds mostly good iGRF. Thumbs Up

The cleating thing, maybe wouldn't have saved the gybe but play with the cleat and block height relationship (I assume you are off the floor and haven't gone off boom). 
I expect your Contender boys are pretty finickity about it. I have mine tweaked so that the sheet has to be down within a few inches of the deck to cleat, any tension from me higher and it just pops out. You don't want to  be out and down on the wire waving your arm in the air like you're trying to hail a cab to uncleat.    


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 22 Apr 18 at 1:21pm
Being assisted by the Contenderati here but so far again today, the wind deserted us no sooner than the start gun sounded.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Apr 18 at 1:49pm
How does it sail in non trapeze wind ?


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 22 Apr 18 at 6:23pm
It's not like anything else I've ever sailed, it's a bit twitchy and very susceptible to balance, you need to be very aware of where you put your weight, the stern can get noisy. It's light, super manoeuvrable so you need to finesse your control input which of course I'm an expert at - Not.

It points OK I've not had the benefit of a race in anything other than windless drifter in which it goes about the same speed as everyone else in no wind, can't hold an RS 600 but can stay in touch with most everything. I suspect when we do get a race with steady none trapezing wind I'll be among the Lasers.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Apr 18 at 7:36pm
Not bad then, how are they comfort wise, when you can't trapeze ? 
I am down to one sailable boat at the moment "Minisprint", but this is crap without wind.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 22 Apr 18 at 7:52pm
A damn site more comfortable than a minisprint when there's not wind enough to sit on the plank, it has got sides but, they're not deep.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Apr 18 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by iGRF

It's not like anything else I've ever sailed, it's a bit twitchy and very susceptible to balance, you need to be very aware of where you put your weight, the stern can get noisy. It's light, super manoeuvrable so you need to finesse your control input which of course I'm an expert at - Not.

It points OK I've not had the benefit of a race in anything other than windless drifter in which it goes about the same speed as everyone else in no wind, can't hold an RS 600 but can stay in touch with most everything. I suspect when we do get a race with steady none trapezing wind I'll be among the Lasers.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 04 May 18 at 3:55pm
Well I've finally finished my first race in it, not particularly satisfactorily since as per the norm once this boat commits to a start line any wind quickly vanishes, this time however there persisted 3-5 mph just enough to get us all round and slack tide meant we were able to almost complete the course which had probably kilometre long reaches and quite long beats with the wind line slowly fading further out to sea.

I started off well enough managed to bang right out of the pin end of a line you couldn't really cross on starboard although a few were going to try, just to keep the port end flyers at bay, but they left it too late to stop little old me slide out on Port with a grin as I heard the noise of starboard calls then bangs and crashes.

Now in these conditions in the jolly old EPS that would have meant pretty much game over, so I guess I should look on what happened next with enthusiasm rather than just the normal boring procession. I went up the coast probably too close to shore too long so on the first tack to starboard out to sea I was already over whelmed by an RS 400 and annoyingly one of the better laser sailors, a Hornet and the RS100 but there was an obvious reason for this so I set out to sea and the vanishing wind line hoping to correct it as they continued up the coast.

It worked and I rounded the windward mark 1st single hander with the two faster boats long gone and set off down the reach, at no time getting even close to being near the wire. First the RS100 chucked up his kite came past and was gone leaving me vowing to put a kite on this boat at some point. Then, slowly but surely the lead Laser caught and overtook quipping "you may as well let me go" as it looked like I might luff him, I didn't and sulked, then after the gybe another Laser this time with someone a bit heavier than me also came past, and I sulked even more, in fact disappointment was setting in. Bloody Lasers on reaches on the sea are a lot quicker than 1098, they're running me off what seemed like a generous 1063, clearly not generous enough.

Back on the beat and I'm in amongst them, long story short, they went up the coast again and missed the marginally more wind and a little favourable tide beginning out to sea, so I got them back then set about the most boring run ever, nailed to the mast trying to keep the sail out, kicker off still doesn't stay you have to lean against the boom, plate up I don't lose any ground and since 40 minutes have passed hope they end this dirge.

They don't and it's another long triangle once again they all go along the coast and I'm out at sea in more wind and tide can't believe they missed it twice, so my sailing tactic keeps me in the game, but a slight fill in and favorable shift brings another new laser into play coming from the right, and with a tad more breeze he slowly begins to reel me in, yet gets involved in a luffing battle with the other laser and I manage to stay deep and ahead, the wind dropping again, the race finishes with me fourth over the water but not far enough ahead of the Lasers so I slip to 8th on the spreadsheet to four of the Lasers, but, it proves a couple of things, upwind I'm still in the fight, offwind it needs to be windier to benefit from the shorter hull and I think a lot windier, but one of these days maybe we'll see it on a race day and even then, will I be up to scratch enough boat handling wise to make use of it? But over the water I can still do it if I sail well and they don't, heaven help me when they get it right.

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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 04 May 18 at 5:50pm
Maybe when you have worked out your settings and technique you might pick up a minute or two, which I guess would get you in the mix

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 08 May 18 at 11:17am
Originally posted by iGRF

... offwind it needs to be windier to benefit from the shorter hull and I think a lot windier...

...not that much windier, 8knts. And believe me, as the wind builds on that and the laser sailors start to consider hernia ops the grin on your face will live with you a lot longer than most other boats.


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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 08 May 18 at 11:27am
Originally posted by 423zero

How does it sail in non trapeze wind ?

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 May 18 at 11:45am
Got just a little taste over the weekend, but it was the third race I've entered and the wind just vanished, I'm beginning to think it's cursed, I also went from an easy first on handicap, to last in a 180 wind switch containing almost the entire laser fleet.

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 13 May 18 at 10:25am
If you can’t beat them, join them? You’d be good in a radial and could always switch up for the wind durge of late


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 May 18 at 4:31pm
There's another Graham, ex windsurfer racer, only sailed a Laser on holiday is destroying the Laserati and winning the races on handicap in a borrowed club Laser.. Then he is only 60kgs. Me I'm about to chuck all my rattles out of the pram if we don't get just something over 5 mph soon.. Got my first time ever DFL on Thursday FFS.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 May 18 at 8:07pm
Same here, can't remember last decent wind, haven't been able to sail Sprint for 3 months.
Push the boat out yesterday, no wind at all, managed 9 signees for RYA level 1 though, this is a record for us, but first time no new member sign ups.


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 10:00am
North Easterly 17 gusting 21 tonight and finally I'm hooked in, sailing a bit defensively as it is all very strange not having a boom to hang onto when in the harness, old dog new trick I fear. However although as is customary with this boat no sooner than the gun firing big holes began to appear, I had a couple of really thrilling moments as a gust accellerated this boat like none I've ever sailed, not quite windsurfing speed but not far off, I'm beginning to like it a lot.

 As for the race North Easterlies are by far the worse wind directions we get at Hythe really gusty and lots of holes so I was constantly fearful of falling in backwards and tended to wire off the inner carbon things that are in the wrong place.

After a hesitant start (I thought I might have been over) I settled down to battle with my chum in his Phantom, one good laser sailor got away the rest I managed to keep behind me, the fact I got round without stacking it seemed to surprise our resident high wind Contender sailor who'd spent the race far ahead and lapped us on the final sausage. It was 1hr and about 15 minutes of gusts, lulls and an amazing long leg down the 2nd reach far out to sea in lovely surfing waves sailing into the sun, a more pleasant experience you rarely come across and the boat performs great in them even with a sail full of gust and the back of a wave ahead, too deep to think about wiring the only disconcerting thing was the long wiggle stick thing digging in the waves occasionally.

 So I managed a 6th which is good for me in strong winds in any boat and I now know it can only get better with practise. I could only straight leg wire on the odd occasion whilst everyone else (that were on wires) seemed to be comfortable out on the side, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong yet, could be sailing too high, someone else suggested more kicker but I had what I thought was a lot on. I had also wanged on a load of downhaul to twist the top of the sail off which it does now I've fitted a thinner top batten than the chunky thing supplied with the sails, what is it with dinghy sailmakers and their crap batten material these days?

I've developed a technique to sort of reduce the going into irons thing, I had the plate angle back a bit and made sure I dived as far forward as I could once rounding the back and other than at the very end trying to cross the line into a head tide I completed all tacks without issue, in fact I'm actually feeling quite pleased with myself and eager to have another go, we have wind forecast again on sunday, maybe I'll see if cutting her a little looser might enable wiring off the actual gunwhales..








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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 11:18am
17 gusting 21 and you weren't flat wiring? have you put on weight recently, or perhaps a growth spurt?

my guesses would pinching / too much sly pig / too softer batten at the top


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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 11:19am
Hi Graham
Sorry but why are you pulling downhaul (Cunningham)on if your underpowered?
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 11:28am
I didn't expect to be underpowered actually got down early went out had a bit of a blatt about came ashore and re tightened everything, the halyard is still new, is sh*t rope and stretches. 

I'm a bit heavier than I ought to be, 70kgs probably 75 in all the kit, the sail ain't that big, 8.5 I'd guess I haven't measured it but it's a good 3/4 mtr smaller than my EPS sail.
I felt I should have been at least out on the rails not from the inner carbon step offs, I'm wondering if it is my natural angle on the wind, I've always pointed quite high, it's a light persons defence mechanism,. Sly Pig WTF is that, is that some Northern sailors sex aid reference?
This is one time when I think I need to go to an event where other folk sail them properly, could be tricky I've noticed they're all selling them since I bought mine..LOL


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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 11:39am
Hi Grf
If you leave the downhaul alone until your over powered. In general its one of my last depowering tools I use once rake and kicker have run out.
Note Cunningham is the correct term on any boat for the rope which goes up through a point above the tack and can be adjusted.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 11:55am
sly pig = cunningham




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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 11:58am
cunning ham - sly pig - geddit?

downhaul is becoming more prevalent - and it does what it says...

If you have a stretchy halyard, then once the sail is up, haul on the cunningham (lots); let it off again then retension the halyard. This will take out most of the stretch. Pulling on cunno with a stretchy halyard is a fruitless exercise.


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 12:03pm
Doh! should have guessed
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Anyway it's downhaul where I come from, because you apply it to the sail to pull it down..

Where did that stupid Cunningham term come from?


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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 12:16pm
After the man who invented it.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 12:22pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briggs_Cunningham

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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 12:52pm
Built nice cars too as well as being a good racing driver . 



Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 1:43pm
So it says " The cunningham differs from a typical downhaul in the way it attaches to the sail"

Clue (Clew) me in here, exactly what is typical downhaul other than the one we proper sailors use.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 1:59pm
i would go as so far to say that downhaul is a set prior to sailing and Cunningham is adjustable during.

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 2:16pm
Which of course is bollox.

It's downhaul forget the nostalgia of Briggs Straton.
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 3:04pm
Anyway at 17 > 21 you should be well and truly flat wiring. You are losing power.

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Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 3:25pm
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 3:36pm
must just be because you're fat now LOL then if its not the Cunningham or that new soft batten.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 3:47pm
I'm on a diet now..

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 4:19pm
No need, sort your rig out.



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 6:29pm
If we're being pedantic a cunningham isn't quite the same as a downhaul, even though they have the same effect.
A cunningham eye is an eye in the luff a few inches up from the tack. Given a sail which has a track on the boom and a fixed point for the tack, usually a pin on the boom, a downhaul cannot be fitted. So to get the same effect the downhaul equivalent goes to the cunningham eye, and when you whack the control on there's a big crease below the eye. A downhaul, by contrast, goes to the tack eye, and the tack goes up and down with the control, rather than having a fixed position.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 7:19pm
So.. that explains why you have those totally stupid two eyelets in the foot of the sail when one would do.. And.. the lower one is always too close to the boom, it's always seemed totally senseless to me. I have to rig up to the top one then back to the bottom one so the pull is half as much. I mean why would you want to crease the foot of the sail needlessly.. Totally stupid.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

No need, sort your rig out.


My rig is more perfect now than when they made it.

I used to admire dinghy sail builders..

I don't now.

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 May 18 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by iGRF

the lower one is always too close to the boom,

I imagine it saves having people whinging that they are losing out on sail area in light air because the tack is a few inches higher than the black band. Believe it or not there are people who would think that important.

If the sail is fitted in a track on the boom then the two holes are more or less essential. Its not something I favour though: I think all my sails have been loose footed with a downhaul (or at least set that way) since about 1975.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 May 18 at 9:43am
Ah yes, that makes sense, like those awful Solo sails totally destroying their lower entry with that being in the track lark, are they allowed not to have the sail in the boom track?

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 May 18 at 3:36pm
Today I got in the back strap on a blinding reach, I’ve also pretty much got the upwind wiring dialled and I am a happy bunny. I was made for this boat that is if it stays together long enough.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 21 May 18 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Today I got in the back strap on a blinding reach, I’ve also pretty much got the upwind wiring dialled and I am a happy bunny. I was made for this boat that is if it stays together long enough.

Smile told you you'd like it.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 May 18 at 2:36pm
It took me half the race and being right at the back DFL behind even the worse sailors we've got, then on a reach I finally manned up and almost by accident wired and was sort of surfboard style then I stepped up on the rail and it started to head up like it would on a board and I thought 'it's footsteering, which it was, banged the other foot in the position I'd have it on a windsurfer on a reach Which was on the back strap and there I was stood up, playing it with my feet exactly like you would a board and did it take off..

So the next beat I got out on the rail upwind and began to wind them back in, it was too late to get right to the front but I had the most enjoyable race I think I've ever had in a dinghy. I keep playing it over and over in my head and can't wait to get out again.. Pity I've got to go away for a week to a wedding.. this is going to be a great summer (wind permitting).

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 22 May 18 at 7:55pm
Sounds brilliant, I thought that boat had lightweight elderly windsurfer written all over it.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 May 18 at 9:03pm


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 May 18 at 2:44pm
iGRF, have you seen this pic? ;-)




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 11:01am
Just to keep this up to speed some recent adventures well misadventures would be more appropriate in what is turning out to be the most unlucky boat I think I've ever bought.

So thursday night cracking start Port end on starboard out to sea into the tide and a tad more wind, got on the wire in about 8 -10 knots beaten to the 1st mark only by a Contender which I'd expect really but hoped to wind in down the long reach out to sea. - No chance.. wind dropped and another slow but certain overhaul by the two lead lasers. Then up one of the other marginal wiring beats the bloody slack mainsheet doubled then tripled itself into the block forcing me to stop and unthread it all - nightmare.

Sunday dawns properly windy, screwed up the first beat but started winding boats back in on a really broad fast but not fully wiring reach, the second reach would be tighter and fully wiring with waves to surf down the joy would be boundless.. Boundless right up until the point where the mast just fell down - joy indeed. Some dodgy shackle must have given way come undone - whatever - best race of the year I'm rescued..

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 12:14pm
Bad luck, was hoping you would record your first win


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 7:34pm
Talk about user error...

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 8:24pm
Perhaps invest in one of those 'Ballcock' wotsits


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 8:41pm
I've put a proper shackle on it now, not the cheap sh*t Miracle/Streaker crap the builders obviously are used to using.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 8:46pm
for a new boat you have had to do a lot of fettling, almost from the getgo, I would be disappointed in same position.


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 20 Jun 18 at 6:01am
Fettling or personalising ? iGRF is certainly an individual and one who currently seems to be enjoying sailing more than fretting about rating numbers, for that I give respect and hopes of satisfaction. Beer


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Jun 18 at 8:51am
Originally posted by 423zero

for a new boat you have had to do a lot of fettling, almost from the getgo, I would be disappointed in same position.

Aside from RS and Laser dinghy building in the UK is a cottage industry, I'd be amazed if a new boat came properly ready to race, there will always be something that needs fettling (and, indeed, that's half the fun). Under spec shackles are a bit dodgy mind you (though it has been said if it breaks it's not strong enough, if it doesn't it's too heavy.....)


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Jun 18 at 9:08am
I would have thought you would get a better more personal care from a small firm


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 20 Jun 18 at 9:25am
Tempting fate here, but I can't recall ever having had a shackle fail on me. Under spec will distort. Incorrect assembly will fail - split ring not in the clevis pin properly or pin not screwed in tight enough... They don't like offset loads very much so if the width is too great they can distort, too.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Jun 18 at 9:53am
Originally posted by 423zero

I would have thought you would get a better more personal care from a small firm

TBH, you're probably right but boats, other than SMODs, usually have a fair bit of leeway for personalisation and I would expect a shake down period, the less established the class the more fettling would be required.

But, yes, I would expect better/more personal service from a small builder. 


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Jun 18 at 10:08pm
I was only talking to one of my work colleagues about what would happen in our business, we'd have had to replace the whole kit and caboodle by now, sale of goods act and all that, but as I said to him, it would seriously damage a small business in the dinghy sector and lets face it they are all sub standard when it comes to customer service, we just come to accept it as part and parcel of the game.
I'm enjoying the boat for what it is, a kit boat sold probably a bit expensively, but I'm stupid when it comes to my hobbies I've got the best part of fifteen grand rotting in the nettles down the lake, another seven probably won't hurt me. My original plan for this was to maybe try selling them, but it really wouldn't pass scrutiny in my or any other retail world, just not up to it, then which boat is? Every boat I've ever bought had problems of one type or another.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 8:51pm
Bit of a better night tonight, bloody windy Force five plus, quite a big sea, boat bucking about, quite testing getting on the rail, quite scary at times, the run was interesting with near death rolls that I've not experienced with this boat before so took the run in two deep reaches.

Had one miss tack and capsize bloody jamming cleat again, and one hooking into the underside of the hook by mistake then it popped out leaving me hanging over the side hanging onto the wiggle stick, but recovered from that reasonably, all in all pleased I finished, and got a 5th probably my best result so far. Ironic for a man not given to strong winds in dinghies, normally I wouldn't have bothered to go out.. really knackered though, totally not fit enough, but feel shagged but satisfied, it really flew at times tonight..

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 9:04pm
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 9:05pm
well done, glad it came together.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Jul 18 at 3:34pm
I'm having to have a bit of a lie down after today, wind was a bit holey, but it was warm and force 3-4, lovely conditions. Once again I screwed the start by arriving a bit early so had to foot off down the line but once underway got off into clean air and wired. The wiring is coming together now, and I only had two issues, one miss tack (harness back got caught under the boom)into irons, and one miss hook (hooked in under the hook plate instead of the hook again) and fell in to windward which dropped me back to the next boat which was a Blaze so had a good race with him, and managed to get back passed him upwind.
It was a fabulous day and a fabulous race, best race yet, 5th on corrected in the biggest fleet we've had all year. which would have been better if I'd not made those three mistakes, so I'm pleased as punch it's all finally coming together.

If I ever get a clean start and these conditions again and don't do anything stupid I can see the day when I get that elusive bullet.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Jul 18 at 4:02pm
Well done


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 10 Jul 18 at 11:53am
Originally posted by iGRF

I'm having to have a bit of a lie down after today, wind was a bit holey, but it was warm and force 3-4, lovely conditions. Once again I screwed the start by arriving a bit early so had to foot off down the line but once underway got off into clean air and wired. The wiring is coming together now, and I only had two issues, one miss tack (harness back got caught under the boom)into irons, and one miss hook (hooked in under the hook plate instead of the hook again) and fell in to windward which dropped me back to the next boat which was a Blaze so had a good race with him, and managed to get back passed him upwind.
It was a fabulous day and a fabulous race, best race yet, 5th on corrected in the biggest fleet we've had all year. which would have been better if I'd not made those three mistakes, so I'm pleased as punch it's all finally coming together.

If I ever get a clean start and these conditions again and don't do anything stupid I can see the day when I get that elusive bullet.

Really happy for you iGRF. Glad you are having a great time with it.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Jul 18 at 8:57pm
Fourth over the water tonight was holding 2nd for a bit until I stupidly went out to sea for more wind but got more tide and a couple of up the coast lasers got a better shift. Beaten by a V3000 which doesn't hang about in a breeze and an RS100 and the 1st Laser, no Contenders tonight and got some on the water coaching by one of the helms in the race boat which totally screwed me up (I'm useless at being told stuff, I have to watch and learn). But no capsizes tonight and only one irons experience, had a couple of ropey tacks, but other than that it was all cool and I'm developing a similar technique up wind like you do on a long board, letting your front foot float slightly whilst leaning hard forward.

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 13 Jul 18 at 5:53am
Sounds brilliant, loving the enthusiasm and not a mention of PYs, simply sailing. Thumbs Up
Similar feeling I get from my Contender (never sailed a windsurfer mind) and I probably have more than a couple of ropey tacks but still hugely engaging fun.     


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 13 Jul 18 at 8:57am
It's amazing what happens when people sail boats that genuinely feedback a truckload of joy. They forget about all the other stuff that normally bothers them. Should that not be the starting point for everyone?

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Jul 18 at 6:27pm
I'm on duty tomorrow and it was a classic Hythe Easterly today, so I did something i've never done before, just went out for a blast just for the sheer joy.

And yeah I know, the main halyard had stretched and I hadn't tightened it, but I didn't care..



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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 14 Jul 18 at 9:07pm
Now y're talking. Cool


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 15 Jul 18 at 5:20pm
Where’s the ‘like’ button. GRF seems to have found a steed that suits his stature, his ability and his ambition. Good news all round. I for one am really pleased for him.

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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 8:09am
Yes

Everything in these photos looks 'to scale', comfortable and very nice (except perhaps the lid ?)

Previous photos from previous various craft have sometimes looked a bit uncomfortable

Perhaps this latest venture will be 'the one' ?



Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 9:53am
Well that turned out to be a good decision Sunday turned out to be a light wind day, as to the lid, if your head has been smacked by the boom as often as mine, you'd wear one, I do take it off in light conditions but that day had been quite breezy earlier, a good four to five and I'd been pushing it a bit to see what I can get away with, those pics were taken as I was coming in.

I'd just had what in windsurfing terms we'd call spin out, I was in the back straps footed right off and flying when the whole back end just broke out (probably cavitation) and I ended up swinging into the back of the boat legs in the air,with the whole lot just managing to stay the right way up but head to wind, quite sudden quite alarming.

Now poor fins(bendy) usually cause spin out, air gets down the foil and the board breaks out, never had it happen in a boat before, I'm obviously doing something wrong but can't think what, or maybe that rudder does need a T foil to stop aeration, not that it's likely to happen in a race, we never get courses that suit great riding angles.

Oh and thanks for you positive comments, I am enjoying the fun of sailing it if not the race results to date..

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Posted By: Fatboi
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 3:27pm
Are you lifting the board when reaching?


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Fatboi

Are you lifting the board when reaching?


No, not especially, it's raked. I lift it when I'm racing on deep legs, but no I tend to leave plates down until they become really noisy, but thinking about it that could have set a vortex going which transferred to the back foil it was quite bouncy in the short chop.

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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 10:07pm
Could fit a fence to the top of the rudder blade to reduce aeration/cavitation, or maybe have a look at the area at the air/water interface to see if there is anything that might allow air to get drawn down the rudder blade that might cause cavitation ... flat leading edge or submerged rudder stock spring to mind.  Also a poor (flat) airfoil section might lead to stall.

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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 10:13pm
Sounds like not keeping the boat flat as a gust hits.

I can imagine with the Farr hull shape that it will overpower the rudder pretty quickly when heeled, spinning up into wind and throwing you into the middle of the boat especially if you are trapezing high.

Keep it very flat by quick steering and quick easing of the sheet.
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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 16 Jul 18 at 10:45pm
Rudder hung off a gantry, any side effects?

You right at the back pressing the gantry into the water causing turbulence?

If you are wiring that far back you are loading the rudder pretty heavily; maybe in your fun n games you got a bit too much heel on causing weather helm and a momentary heavy correction was simply a load too far resulting in stall.

edit, sorry Craig......, got distracted mid two finger typing. yes what I was thinking.



Posted By: Fatboi
Date Posted: 17 Jul 18 at 8:44am
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Fatboi

Are you lifting the board when reaching?


No, not especially, it's raked. I lift it when I'm racing on deep legs, but no I tend to leave plates down until they become really noisy, but thinking about it that could have set a vortex going which transferred to the back foil it was quite bouncy in the short chop.

Try giving it a lift, will help when the gusts hit as the boat will have less drag underneath and start 'skipping' a little more. The board is pretty key in most boats offwind planing and most people leave it down too much thinking that it will make it all more stable. 


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 17 Jul 18 at 9:42am
I was always taught to lift the CB off wind (Oppi, Heron, Enterprise and OK), around halfway on a reach and right up on a run, I was never taught it increased stability, actually just the opposite, the foil causes instability off wind as the boat can trip over it. In the Spice I set it for the conditions and leave it, too much else to do to faff around with the DB but the boat is uncontrollable with it fully up (even if that was possible without it getting in the way of the kicker and preventing you tacking or gybing). On the Blaze, I have upwind and off-wind positions, upwind varies depending on wind strength from fully down to about 15% back, off-wind is about 50%. Likewise the boat is un-sailable with it right up.

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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 17 Jul 18 at 11:06am
Me likewise Sam. Half board approx when three-sail reaching prevents the boat tripping over the board in a gust. It slips sideways instead. Beware the inadvertent board-up through either not enough friction or hitting e.g. jellyfish though. Result is crew in the water and a likely capsize to windward (embarrassing in 20kts!).
when running we have the board mostly up (75-80%) & kicker off. If the boat gets unstable a bit more board & a touch of kicker will stabilise it.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Jul 18 at 11:53am
Originally posted by Do Different


Rudder hung off a gantry, any side effects?


Was top of my thoughts..

It was quite broad and I was in the rear strap, the other suggestions heel etc do occur on tighter reaches and with the onset of a cross on, weather bow wave, especially if I ease the front foot to try and take the wave with the v of the hull rather than have it slam, it can then be a bitch to get bore off again. But it wasn't like that, it was a break out, there's something else it could have been, there are lots of jelly fish about, when i got back I'd been stung (which could have happened at the waters edge) but when they used to impact windsurf boards they can break the back out, so it could also have been that, slammed by a Portuguese Man O War!

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 23 Aug 18 at 8:26pm
Well the adventure continues, I've had a couple of bad breaks, basically my trapeze wires which were a fabrication of my own device have failed a couple of times with me out on the wire and i've finally given in to reason and sheathed separate lines anyway that's not the news. The news is tonight, I got a 2nd, mainly because it was bloody windy to start with and only a few of us got out, but it was about as windy as we ever race in so I'm quite chuffed with myself for getting round with only the one capsize and that was a stupid one on the bear off where i hadn't dumped the kicker, mistakes do get amplified when the winds up. It was fair bucking about tonight almost getting airborne on the upwind leg into the waves. Best result I've ever had in a breeze, still can't get near the Contender yet, but I screwed up the start being over early and having a very dodgy re round. No doubt about it though this boat is made for a breeze, just wish I could find a way to get it to work in light weather.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 24 Aug 18 at 10:15am




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