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2018-19 PNs

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Topic: 2018-19 PNs
Posted By: fab100
Subject: 2018-19 PNs
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 5:06pm
Well, well, the snow has distracted every one from PY speculation, given new numbers are to be released the Dinghy Show.

My whisper is that the Farr 3.7 moves to the same as a RS300, or lower if finished in mock-carbon

Touch-paper lit. Stands back


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Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 7:30pm
Fab,

If you really want to get a reaction you go to the Butler stand, move close to the very nice Streaker that is there and ask in a loud voice, "which one is the 3.7" then retreat fast!

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Dougal H


Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 8:47pm
Here’s hoping they put the 300 back up to compatible handicap to the phantom

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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 02 Mar 18 at 9:19pm
I'll be on the Butler stand at some point asking the same question.

As to the PYAG, it's a lost cause the only way round it is a new body with absolutely no connection to the RYA imv if anyone else thinks the same, you know where to find me...

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Posted By: drifter
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 9:51am
And thy're out. Albacore -3 sadly

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Stewart


Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 10:48am
For once, the 400 is a non-mover! If the no of races recorded is an indication of activity levels in a class only 3 double-handers in the top 10 (400, 200, Merlin), Laser still miles out in front, 49er takes the biggest hit (-13), biggest winners are Mirror, Topper and Megabyte (+11). Notable absentees, Farr and Icon.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 11:46am
I've raced the Topper a couple of times this winter, admittedly in a blow, but with a bit of a blown out sail, and found the handicap a little embarrassing. 11 more points is very odd. Are the small sail results getting mixed in? They'll ban me, soon!

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 03 Mar 18 at 1:19pm
I'm fairly happy as the Blaze is +4 probably due entirely to my results last year.....

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 5:27pm
I'm fairly happy as the Blaze is +4 probably due entirely to my results last year.....

It now it reflects exactly what the GL number is ....  (somebody tell GRFi for goodness sake ! - And No .... I'm not going to say what they have down for the Farr 3.7)

http://greatlakes.org.uk/resources/Great%20Lakes%20Handicaps%202017-18.pdf


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 5:38pm
Yes, that hadn't escaped my notice.....



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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 8:36pm
Hadn't seen that, funnily enough 1062 is what my spreadsheet predicts for it, but I'll probably end up racing off 1039 that they had written on the bit of paper on the stand. There are so many weird anomalies on that effing list it really does make you wonder what world they all exist in and how much attention they pay to it, but then with all their fixation with secrecy I guess we're lucky they publish anything.



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 8:54pm
Topper 11 points, that's 11 points for Minisail at my club, Sprint will run away with races in a decent wind.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 9:00pm
My mate has had considerable success racing a Supernova at the club. 'Cos of a knee injury he swapped it for a Blaze last autumn. Since then he has not managed better than 10th. I know there's an element of learning the boat but he has a recent (and fully refurbished by Hartleys) Mk3 Blaze with a carbon stick and new sail, set up to the same numbers as the top guys. I find it hard to believe the setup makes that much difference and his pedigree suggests he should be doing better.

I suspect the reason is that Blaze likes to stretch it's legs and small lakes are not it's natural habitat.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Topper 11 points, that's 11 points for Minisail at my club, Sprint will run away with races in a decent wind.

I get using topper PN for a standard Minisail but the extra leverage the Sprint has must be worth 20 points.....


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 9:19pm
Rupert is best person to advise on this, it also has the larger battened Sprint sail.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Topper 11 points, that's 11 points for Minisail at my club, Sprint will run away with races in a decent wind.


Are you really using the Topper number, or just linked to it? 1225 seems to be getting me similar results to the Lightning on 1170, with slightly different wind strengths for success. Topper on 2017 numbers in a blow I've been winning by a couple of minutes in a 50 minute race. Light winds, the lard gets in the way, as do creaky legs, but if I was 15 again with decent skills and tactics, it would be a real bandit. Add 2 feet and 2 sqm of sail, plus a seat and I might start thinking like a Phantom sailor 5 years ago - sailing god!

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Mar 18 at 9:40pm
Aquabat, Minisail and Topper all counted the same, this is a photo of pursuit list.
http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/aquabatdinghy/media/Minisprint%20rebuild/WP_20160318_14_13_07_Pro.jpg.html?sort=4&o=103



Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 7:06am
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

My mate has had considerable success racing a Supernova at the club. 'Cos of a knee injury he swapped it for a Blaze last autumn. Since then he has not managed better than 10th. I know there's an element of learning the boat but he has a recent (and fully refurbished by Hartleys) Mk3 Blaze with a carbon stick and new sail, set up to the same numbers as the top guys. I find it hard to believe the setup makes that much difference and his pedigree suggests he should be doing better.

I suspect the reason is that Blaze likes to stretch it's legs and small lakes are not it's natural habitat.

Exactly that. I had a Blaze for a couple of years. It was fun when the breeze was up but it was not a quick tacking boat so was hard to sail to potential on a shifty gravel pit.


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Paul
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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 10:53am
Interesting to see that the Hadron H2 got an EN of 1037 in the new set of numbers, I think that is a pretty decent place to start it off but am sure if will also come down over time


Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 10:56am
(the Blaze) ....  but it was not a quick tacking boat so was hard to sail to potential on a shifty gravel pit.

I can't really agree....The boat really is easy enough to sail, surprisingly so for many newbies.  However you cannot simply use the same sailing style as works in say a Laser and expect to win much, if anything, within the class or on handicap.  The class has few similar classes to be compared with ....  The critical last 1-2% of performance comes with a lot of practice and adaption of basic techniques, particularly the basic transitions of tacking and gybing.  If you try and bully it around a tight course such as modest small gravel pit ones, a la Laser,  it will very soon find you out !  Always always always look very carefully at what the faster helms are doing, where they sit and so on and if you can attend class training events.   No substitute exists to attending the training events and class opens imo if you are 'new'.  Subtle changes in approach can and do make massive differences.... particularly so with the Blaze.

and there are many other classes where exactly the same approach applies.  Instant success rarely comes with a switch of class ... Wink




Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 05 Mar 18 at 11:34am
Originally posted by Cirrus

(the Blaze) ....  but it was not a quick tacking boat so was hard to sail to potential on a shifty gravel pit.

I can't really agree....The boat really is easy enough to sail, surprisingly so for many newbies.  However you cannot simply use the same sailing style as works in say a Laser and expect to win much, if anything, within the class or on handicap.  The class has few similar classes to be compared with ....  The critical last 1-2% of performance comes with a lot of practice and adaption of basic techniques, particularly the basic transitions of tacking and gybing.  If you try and bully it around a tight course such as modest small gravel pit ones, a la Laser,  it will very soon find you out !  Always always always look very carefully at what the faster helms are doing, where they sit and so on and if you can attend class training events.   No substitute exists to attending the training events and class opens imo if you are 'new'.  Subtle changes in approach can and do make massive differences.... particularly so with the Blaze.

and there are many other classes where exactly the same approach applies.  Instant success rarely comes with a switch of class ... Wink



You came to Hunts remember, I know the conditions were hardly ideal but competing against Solos, Lasers and Ents that tack on a dime was hardly an easy task. Ignoring the shift unless it was huge was the best way until clear air was found. When it was windy it wasn't an issue as the boat speed took over.

I agree about the rewarding time in the boat though. I found it wasnt a boat I could be out of for a month and then jump back in, that extra edge just wasn't there.


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Paul
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