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Topic: Dinghy for 55kg
Posted By: wysiwyg70
Subject: Dinghy for 55kg
Date Posted: 10 May 17 at 7:41pm
I have recently started out sailing (completed L1+2).  I borrow my daughter's RS Tera to practice with but I'm looking for a dinghy I can cruise around Portland Harbour and occasionally in the Solent.  The latter in the right conditions. 

Are there many dinghies to choose from in my weight category (55-57kg)?  Besides how is an ideal pairing calculated for helm/hull/sail?  I imagine a lot of it's down to skill, but is it calculated on the worst case scenario, ie. blowing an almighty gale and keeping the boat upright, or simply for optimum speed?

I know my choice of boat is like to be a temporary one until my skills improve (eventual aim is a Laser 4.7 or RS Aero for solo sailing) although I wouldn't be shy of buying more than one boat to fit whatever scenario or purpose, but for now I'd like a boat to occasionally sail with my daughter (10yo wisp!) on a cruise basis.  It needs to be fairly easy to launch and retrieve although the sailing academy is pretty well equipped with all ratios of ramp.  Daughter has no fear so I don't have to worry about 'tippiness' but it needs to be fairly leisurely for the purpose of a 'cruise' dinghy, and will need a jib for her keep busy with..

I like the look of the Gull and wondered if it might be suitable?  I'd prefer to avoid wood.  Any thoughts here or other suggestions please?



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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 May 17 at 9:50pm
Exactly the purpose of the Mirror Dinghy. There are glass ones out there, though older ones are rare.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 10 May 17 at 11:52pm
Optimum crew weights are usually what would be most competitive across the wind ranges when racing so if you are inexperienced being at the top of the weight range might make life easier. Smaller sails help a lot too, and heavier boats are less tricky to handle so traditional classes and boats used for training will usually be more forgiving. The Mirror is well proven and a good boat, as is the Gull and the Heron, any might be suitable along with a number of modern boats like the Topaz range and such like.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 11 May 17 at 3:14pm
One of our members built her own UK Farr 3.7 and sails out of Shoreham. I believe she is 43kg! This is light even for a Farr 3.7 but at 57kg you'd have a big advantage sailing in normal UK conditions. You'd have to depower earlier with the standard rig but the classes developing slightly small sails to help the ultra light sailors. I'd be thinking about a Farr 3.7.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 11 May 17 at 4:51pm
A Farr to sail with a 10 year old?!

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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 11 May 17 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by Rupert

A Farr to sail with a 10 year old?!

Quite..... !!!

Plastic Mirror would be ideal,


Posted By: wysiwyg70
Date Posted: 13 May 17 at 10:22pm
Thank you for suggestions.  I know the Mirror seems the sensible option but unfortunately my thoughts of the Mirror is it has one of the faces only a mother could love ;) 

I havn't come across the Farr - I'll take a squint.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 May 17 at 10:30pm
I did paint a face on the front of my son's original Mirror​. Looked great. Personally, love the look of the boat. Jaunty would cover it, with the nice shearline and bright red sails.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 11:05am
I borrow my daughter's RS Tera to practice with but I'm looking for a dinghy I can cruise around Portland Harbour and occasionally in the Solent.  The latter in the right conditions.  

Are there many dinghies to choose from in my weight category (55-57kg)?  Besides how is an ideal pairing calculated for helm/hull/sail?

 but for now I'd like a boat to occasionally sail with my daughter (10yo wisp!) on a cruise basis.  It needs to be fairly easy to launch and retrieve although the sailing academy is pretty well equipped with all ratios of ramp.  Daughter has no fear so I don't have to worry about 'tippiness' 


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Posted By: Ardea
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 12:16pm
Have a look at the RS Feva.  Single handed will be a slight compromise, but not a big deal.  Will be great to sail with the daughter.  Could even race it together.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 12:32pm
Far be it from me to recommend a wooden Bandit, but sailing one on small waters almost guarantees a win as long as you cross the start line, follow everyone round and experience the Miracle .

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 6:32pm
I am just in the process of buying a Miracle, always wanted one, will also be my first wooden boat.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 6:50pm
Miracle could be a good call. GRP boats out there, too.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 7:22pm
What's Miracle like to sail solo ? Theirs an abandoned one at my club.


Posted By: wysiwyg70
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by Ardea

Have a look at the RS Feva.  Single handed will be a slight compromise, but not a big deal.  Will be great to sail with the daughter.  Could even race it together.

I think the Feva might be a good call - plenty available and reasonable priced, esp if I change my mind after the Summer.  The Farr looks a little lively ;)  I could overcome the Mirror's looks after seeing a plastic one fly on the weekend - the cockpit is the perfect layout for a dry cruise but any idea what I might be able to pick one up for please?  Is £3k-£4k achievable?


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 9:10pm
I too saw a modern GRP Mirror being very well sailed yesterday, I suspect they beat me my a large margin on handicap......... The fact that they're still around is testament to the good design.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 9:13pm
I think their is a plastic mirror on ebay at the moment


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

. The fact that they're still around is testament to the good design.
No they are an awful design, the harder the wind blows the further they plough down into the water, the reason they abound is purely criminal banditry. That and a hard core group of mentally disturbed people who were clearly abused in their youth and in turn abuse their own offspring. I know this because I sail against them week in and out, I've tried to get the social services involved but they just don't seem to take me seriously.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 10:00pm
Here is a short video I did a few years ago, shows a Mirror in very windy conditions, 2 up showing a Laser a thing or two.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLJO0mG56Q


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 May 17 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

. The fact that they're still around is testament to the good design.
No they are an awful design, the harder the wind blows the further they plough down into the water, the reason they abound is purely criminal banditry. That and a hard core group of mentally disturbed people who were clearly abused in their youth and in turn abuse their own offspring. I know this because I sail against them week in and out, I've tried to get the social services involved but they just don't seem to take me seriously.

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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 8:04am
Originally posted by 423zero

Here is a short video I did a few years ago, shows a Mirror in very windy conditions, 2 up showing a Laser a thing or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLJO0mG56Q

Can I get a refund, that certainly wasn't as exciting as I expected.

How can two boats make "windy" look so slow Ouch
 




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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 8:25am
Sorry Neptune LOL
They are two of our best sailors, I can assure you they were moving, (although Laser sailor normally sails a Comet Duo).
I always think the Mirror is the MK1 Landrover of the sailing world.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 8:34am
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

. The fact that they're still around is testament to the good design.
No they are an awful design, the harder the wind blows the further they plough down into the water, the reason they abound is purely criminal banditry. That and a hard core group of mentally disturbed people who were clearly abused in their youth and in turn abuse their own offspring. I know this because I sail against them week in and out, I've tried to get the social services involved but they just don't seem to take me seriously.


That is the Miracle you are trying to describe, not the Mirror? The Mirror is great in a blow.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 8:37am
Originally posted by 423zero


Here is a short video I did a few years ago, shows a Mirror in very windy conditions, 2 up showing a Laser a thing or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLJO0mG56Q



Have to agree that was probably more fun to do than to watch!

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 8:39am
Oh, and the GP14 is the MK 1 Landrover. The Mirror is the Suzuki Jeep.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 9:02am
On that basis the L@ser must be the MX5........Wink

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 9:04am
Video shows stability of Mirror and skill of sailor in testing conditions rather than a spray fest.
Learned to sail in a GP14, originally intended to get one, but slope from boat park up to water put me off.


Posted By: Ardea
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 9:05am
Much of the mirror's bad rep comes from people sailing poorly built, maintained and rigged boats which are heavy, and have rags for sails.  A properly looked after mirror does not remotely plough down into the water, not unless you happen to have an anchor in the front locker.
If you get a modern (post 69###ish) plastic one it should be light and stiff and will be great in pretty much any and all conditions.  I raced them in winds well into 6 gusting 7 and they were fine. Only reason I didn't mention it is that you will most likely get a much better feva for the money.  Plus a feva is faster so will help if you end up handicap racing as you'll be more likely to be in the pack of other boats.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 9:12am
Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by 423zero


Here is a short video I did a few years ago, shows a Mirror in very windy conditions, 2 up showing a Laser a thing or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLJO0mG56Q



Have to agree that was probably more fun to do than to watch!

Do I detect a touch of irony there 432?


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 10:51am
Laser sailors at my club have all the Laser bad habits, for once a correctly sailed boat held position for a leg.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 10:55am
There is only one Laser bad habit...... choosing to sail one Evil Smile

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 11:44am
That should shake the tree LOL


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

There is only one Laser bad habit...... choosing to sail one Evil Smile


We've got quite a fleet building, indeed an opportunity for me to do what just about every man woman and their sailing dog advises I should do, sail in a fleet, now I've resisted with my stubborn arrogance, wielded my sword of irony to fend them off and hidden behind my shield of sarcasm comforted in the views of some on this very forum, but....
This Sunday just gone, lovely sunny day, wind freshening from the West big waves rolling onto the shore making what could best be described as an 'interesting environment', not wishing to chicken out and go kitesurfing, I launched the EPS standing it on its transom nose pointing to the sky in not a lot of wind as I got clear by the skin of my teeth, most of us got out, including the latest Laser helm, new into the boat fresh from his other bandit the Merlin, I'm thinking don't know how long he's going to last, but out to the line I go, then the wind knotched up a tad more and swung to the South West, I tried a rack grabbing reach along the troughs, kicker off (have learned my lesson now) even swung a gybe and survived.
Then 4 minutes to go sailing offshore I swang into irons and stayed there for four attempts at pushing her through the on coming waves to return toward the line. No way I was going to be able to race so I headed in, not wishing to be another problem for the rescue boat, got trashed in the shore break without the centreboard but managed not to damage anything and retired to watch.
Our best guy gets nailed in his RS100 and not manage to get back in the boat, one of our other really good Laser Helms get drilled lose his cb and ends up beaching upside down and trashing his mast, the 470, the 4000, the RS500 & the other Lasers eventually came to grief leaving just two boats, our really good strong wind helm in his Contender just loving it, and.... The new guy in his newish 1900000 Laser, he plugged on and on and finished, how did he do that I wonder, straight into the boat, no previous, well none that I know of and finished, now that has impressed me, in a 'if he can do it I should be able to kind of way since we've battled against each other on and off since the dawn of my sailing experience.'

Could I? Certainly I guess with a smaller rag, but he had the full rig, OK he wasn't tearing round, but he got round, when only one other strong wind specialist did, it was blowing probably about 20 knots, not horrendous but the waves had earlier been bigger than the wind. So it has got me thinking..





I'm 67kgs and short by the way, since I appear to be hihacking a thread about light people and suitable boats

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 12:40pm
We have a good fleet of Lasers and Radials at Leigh & Lowton, I'm resisting partly 'cos I don't like them much and partly 'cos even 40 year old examples can go for £3-500. Half decent ones cost £1k+ and for that I can buy an oldish Supernova which looks a more enjoyable prospect. At least until I acquire my pipe and slippers and buy a Solo (but FRP Solos seem to start at £4k).

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 May 17 at 1:22pm
Only reason I don't like them, so bloody uncomfortable, using a "belfast sink" for a cockpit rubbish idea.


Posted By: wysiwyg70
Date Posted: 14 Jun 17 at 9:54pm
Me again, the OP.  I'm still looking, but thinking more along the lines that my daughter can continue to sail her Tera, whilst mum has fun learning the ropes in her own boat.  Has anyone sailed a Splash dinghy?  I'd never heard of them until recently but understand they're suitable for small adults.  And separately, would a Solo be too much for my weight. (55-57kg) - perhaps with a smaller rig? I know they're very different boats, but really like the look of the Solo and they are keenly raced at the sailing club I'm hoping to join...


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 15 Jun 17 at 4:41pm
Yes. A Splash is a superb boat. That deserves more take up in the UK.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 15 Jun 17 at 4:49pm
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My wife's / son's / my old Splash, being sailed by it's new owner (15yr old?) who competed at European level with the boat. We all sailed it and loved it. Me especially when it was honking.
Fantastically well balanced rig to hull which was comfortable and well laid out.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 16 Jun 17 at 9:38am
Yes a guy at our lake sails a Splash with varying degrees of success, can sail it in almost anything and often does extremely well on handicap, so another positive vote from me, not that I've sailed it but I've sailed against it and been abused on handicap by it on many an occasion.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 Jun 17 at 5:33pm
Their is a rare Laser "M" class on ebay at the moment, might suit you wysiwyg70, much smaller sail,


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Jun 17 at 8:58pm
Wasn't the M where they changed the topmast, not the bottom, making a stupidly stiff rig?

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 Jun 17 at 9:17pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Dinghy-rare-M-Rig-ideal-starter-boat-for-learning-Lasers-/192214446725?hash=item2cc0dfb285:g:-OUAAOSwXetZPZgi
Not sure, one of the variants uses a cranked mast, but looking at pictures of "M" class it appears straight.


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 17 Jun 17 at 3:57pm
Stay away from the ' M ' rig it's was rubbish in the 70s and it's no better now. Rig is too stiff and just evil. If you want to go the laser route, get a radial. 


Posted By: wysiwyg70
Date Posted: 18 Jun 17 at 7:33pm
Thank you for everyone's thoughts. I'm narrowing down to a splash and byte cii, although the latter appeals. I promise to eventually update this thread with my eventual choice and feedback. 


Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 21 Jun 17 at 1:52am
Originally posted by 423zero

Their is a rare Laser "M" class on ebay at the moment, might suit you wysiwyg70, much smaller sail,

 there's a reason the M is rare  ...  it's  rubbish  ...   it uses a shorter top mast  and the standard  full rig lower mast  meaning the  centre of effort  etc is all wrong 




Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 21 Jun 17 at 1:53am
Originally posted by 423zero

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Dinghy-rare-M-Rig-ideal-starter-boat-for-learning-Lasers-/192214446725?hash=item2cc0dfb285:g:-OUAAOSwXetZPZgi
Not sure, one of the variants uses a cranked mast, but looking at pictures of "M" class it appears straight.

the 4.7's lower mast  is  cranked  at deck level  as  the centre of  effort would be too far forward otherwise ... 



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