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Topic: So what is the most photogenic dinghy?
Posted By: 2547
Subject: So what is the most photogenic dinghy?
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 11:43am
So what is the most photogenic dinghy?



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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 11:45am
Big breeze Contender or 505.... no contest.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 11:50am
Flying Dutchman ranks high.

Minisail?


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 11:53am
I was going to argue for the Thames Rater Vagabond, but I then failed to find what I considered to be a decent picture of her, which logically suggests that she's not very photogenic at all!


Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by JimC

I was going to argue for the Thames Rater Vagabond, but I then failed to find what I considered to be a decent picture of her, which logically suggests that she's not very photogenic at all!





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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 12:11pm
My point precisely Simon. That doesn't do her justice!


Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 12:23pm
Merlin in a breeze upwindThumbs Up

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 12:29pm

*Shut Up Bitches!





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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by scotsfinn

Merlin in a breeze upwindThumbs Up

oh yes... faux clinker, oddly weird in the flesh, but can be very photogenic.

graeme- skiffs, skiff derivatives anything with a cruising chute rather than a proper spinnaker simply don't count... you're better off no kite than noddy kite.  


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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 1:37pm
I have to agree with Yellowwellie (on this at least) Contender and 505. Dutchmen always look bent in the middle. Jav's are very pretty as well.


Posted By: L192444
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 1:40pm
505 looks great ... Contender like any one sail boat looks slow down wind. 

To be photogenic it needs to look good at all angles and in all breeze. 

That Thames A rater looks to tick all the boxes. 


Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 1:47pm
Anything with a trap and symmy looks the bogs dollocks......except the furball.

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/dinghy/886/images-from-505-worlds" rel="nofollow - http://www.sailweb.co.uk/dinghy/886/images-from-505-worlds





Posted By: Peaky
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 1:48pm



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 1:56pm
Fireball frames well, so does a Merlin upwind or on a nice planing reach taken off the rear 1/4.

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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 2:02pm
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Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by iGRF


*Shut Up Bitches!

Hate to say it ...... No really, really hate to say it but I'm almost agreeing with Grf ..... Just can't bring myself to do thatConfused



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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 2:17pm
I may be biased, but I like this one...

Generally, though, the 5o has is on photogenic grounds every time.


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Posted By: RichTea
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 2:26pm
Foiling Moths always look good, 

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 2:27pm


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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 3:33pm
You guys really need to get out more...

my vote would go for the International 12 foot dinghy -



Or the Australian Sharpie -



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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 3:50pm
Before I really knew what's what I always liked the look of the 29er..




And they do freestyle as well..



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Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 5:47pm
There is sort of a trend for long narrow symmetrical looking elegant and photogenic, so let's add the Osprey into the mix..




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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:07pm
Nice, still playing the kite as well Wink

Wooden boat with all the tricks and the genoa tack in front of the shute, interestingQuestion


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:10pm
I fear this is turning into a my class is best thread ... seem people only find their own choices attractive ...

The qualities that make something photogenic for me are something with elegant lines that looks pleasing to the eye and looks good when captured in a still.

The 505 seems to win out for me; sleek, nice curves, looks powerful ...















Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:18pm
How about the 1928 Manfred Currey 10sq.m. I posted in another topic?



She would have been, no doubt, finished with gleaming varnished mahogany planking...

If you sailed that hull as a two hander with a modern IC rig on (and something more conventional in the steering department) wouldn't you have a delightful inland racer?


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:20pm
505 head and shoulders. Crewed a couple, not my class though in so many ways, if only I was skilled enough to really use one.

Contender upwind is a close second. 


Posted By: Peaky
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:25pm
Well I think it's stunning Jim, so clean and elegant.

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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:37pm
Originally posted by SUGmeister

There is sort of a trend for long narrow symmetrical looking elegant and photogenic, so let's add the Osprey into the mix..




Ospreys are nice, but it loses a lot of photogenic points due to the sponsor's stickers.


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by Do Different

Nice, still playing the kite as well Wink

Wooden boat with all the tricks and the genoa tack in front of the shute, interestingQuestion

There are a lot of Scorpions out there with this arrangement...

Plus I suggest the scorpion, some of the wood ones are works of art.




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 6:47pm
Looks like a disaster about to happen to me, that Osprey, whereas Jim's boat despite it's woodenness looks superb, be nice to see in colour.

Oh and photogenic, all those angles? Sorry as one of the (probably)few actually qualified photographers here (that doesn't include jumped up digiwallers) it's the one area I can call rank on.

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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 7:04pm
Not just a Contender, a wooden Bonetti Contender.......

Qualified photographer eh' what, F stops, depth of field and all that nonsense....sorry skill. We could do with a bit of Cartier Bresson it would be welcome on here, or some nice grainy Don Macullum.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 7:10pm
Apprenticeship duly served and guess what? Using cameras made of wood.


Edit as memory floods back, used to photograph what must have been the first cross channel sailing dinghy race in the sixties..

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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:13pm
The biased part of me says Finn Tongue

The other part of me says Flying Dutchman. Theres something about them that's aesthetically pleasing, the curve of the bow, the big genoa... Thumbs Up


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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Apprenticeship duly served and guess what? Using cameras made of wood.


Edit as memory floods back, used to photograph what must have been the first cross channel sailing dinghy race in the sixties..

Yes. Those old studio cameras. I used to have a Lieca M3 but I could never use the bloody thing. I was looking at a picture from not so long ago of Press Photographers using plate cameras. Happy days? I think not...but interesting.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by iitick


I was looking at a picture from not so long ago of Press Photographers using plate cameras. Happy days? I think not...but interesting.


You got the one shot, two if you were lucky enough to use a camera with a double dark slide, like an MPP or Speed Graphic, I didn't I had to use a VN single plate, no range finder, no meter, judge everything for the first six months until I 'proved' myself.
Then I got indentured as an apprentice and eventually moved onto a Rolleiflex.


Ha, had to google see if there were any still about and found one on ebay..


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Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:54pm
Just how old is igrf. I thought the box brownie was old.

What was a "new dinghy " when you were 16? We sailed Lark number 34 which we brought four years old? Also sailed an FD which had wooden wheels on the launching trolley .... That was really photogenicEmbarrassed


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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by iGRF



Oh and photogenic, all those angles? Sorry as one of the (probably)few actually qualified photographers here (that doesn't include jumped up digiwallers) it's the one area I can call rank on.


I'm going to call rank on you then. Thanks Wink


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Posted By: gbr940
Date Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 11:49pm
Tom's photos of the Olympics I think answer this. The Finn or the 470 seemed more photogenic then the 9er because it pushes more water...and makes it look more dramatic.

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Posted By: Koops
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 1:01am
RS300 Smile



Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 7:03am
Originally posted by iGRF


*Shut Up Bitches!





* It's a movie quote before y'all start whining

Just to confuse everyone, GRF inevitably goes for a bethwaite-esque boat with a bagged asymmetric.

There are good points though. inefficient boats produce spectacular photos at low speeds due to battering the water aside. Really efficient boats tend to look less "wow"- think shots of Moths on the foils.

But then it's as much in the photographer as the boat.


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Posted By: iitick
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 7:14am
I am just astonished at how centred the main is.


Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 7:28am
when other classes grow up, they'd like to be as photogenic as the daddy of them all...





Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 7:38am
I hate to say it but probably the solo simply because it is slow. For the very reasons previously mentioned in that it pushes a lot of water out of the way. Always look good in tough conditions. The finn is pretty much the same

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Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 8:13am
Originally posted by maxibuddah

I hate to say it but probably the solo simply because it is slow. For the very reasons previously mentioned in that it pushes a lot of water out of the way. Always look good in tough conditions. The finn is pretty much the same

That's taking it too far, we'll be saying Thames Barges nextLOL


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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 8:54am
Originally posted by getafix


when other classes grow up, they'd like to be as photogenic as the daddy of them all...



I like the power and think the 14 is smarter than most of its ilk (probably due to the personalisation and individual tastes of the owners), but these skiff photos are very 1990s 'sailing is kewell / extreme', which i think seems a bit old hat thesedays.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 9:02am
Originally posted by scotsfinn

Just how old is igrf. I thought the box brownie was old.
What was a "new dinghy " when you were 16? We sailed Lark number 34 which we brought four years old? Also sailed an FD which had wooden wheels on the launching trolley .... That was really photogenicEmbarrassed


My earliest recollection of sailing 'things' were Sheerwater cats sailed in Folkestone Harbour, then the next time I noticed was when a Miracle ran me down even though I called Starboard on my windsurfer that would have been around '78, the Sheerwaters were much earlier and all the dinghies that raced the Channel, I can't honestly say I paid much mind to other than to photograph them lined up on the beach. I've been trying to google the race but to no end it was quite a spectacle, maybe an early Y&Y might have it archived.
Originally posted by tgruitt


I'm going to call rank on you then. Thanks Wink

As to you young Gruit, I would have taught blokes your age, I used to teach at the local Art College in the seventies, including stuff like parallax which you SLR blokes wouldn't have a clue how to deal with.

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 10:10am
Originally posted by alstorer

Originally posted by iGRF


*Shut Up Bitches!





* It's a movie quote before y'all start whining

Just to confuse everyone, GRF inevitably goes for a bethwaite-esque boat with a bagged asymmetric.


I did chuckle that he chose the boat that seems to embody pretty much everything he moans about ....


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 10:13am
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by scotsfinn

Just how old is igrf. I thought the box brownie was old.
What was a "new dinghy " when you were 16? We sailed Lark number 34 which we brought four years old? Also sailed an FD which had wooden wheels on the launching trolley .... That was really photogenicEmbarrassed



Originally posted by tgruitt


I'm going to call rank on you then. Thanks Wink

As to you young Gruit, I would have taught blokes your age, I used to teach at the local Art College in the seventies, including stuff like parallax which you SLR blokes wouldn't have a clue how to deal with.


I thought the saying was "Those who can't, teach"?

Don't you worry Mr GRF sir I've learned on everything from 35mm to large format 10x8" negs, twin and single reflex. Thanks for the 'young' comment too, I'm probably a bit older than you think I am.


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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 10:16am
Originally posted by maxibuddah

I hate to say it but probably the solo simply because it is slow. For the very reasons previously mentioned in that it pushes a lot of water out of the way. Always look good in tough conditions. The finn is pretty much the same





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Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 10:22am
Best shot I've seen of a solo .... Partly 'cos the spray looks so much prettier than the boat. What speed was the RIB doing while it was towing that Solo ...... No Solo born can really go that fastWink

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 11:23am
Originally posted by tgruitt


Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by scotsfinn

Just how old is igrf. I thought the box brownie was old.
What was a "new dinghy " when you were 16? We sailed Lark number 34 which we brought four years old? Also sailed an FD which had wooden wheels on the launching trolley .... That was really photogenicEmbarrassed


Originally posted by tgruitt


I'm going to call rank on you then. Thanks Wink

As to you young Gruit, I would have taught blokes your age, I used to teach at the local Art College in the seventies, including stuff like parallax which you SLR blokes wouldn't have a clue how to deal with.
I thought the saying was "Those who can't, teach"? Don't you worry Mr GRF sir I've learned on everything from 35mm to large format 10x8" negs, twin and single reflex. Thanks for the 'young' comment too, I'm probably a bit older than you think I am.


Oh err sorry GRF... I can't find your name in here... I must be looking in the wrong place!

http://awards.the-aop.org/Previous_Awards" rel="nofollow - The Association of Photographers Awards

Funnily as an Art Director mine is.

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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 11:30am
The question excludes the obvious candidates - as both the Dragon and the Star are keelboats!

My candidates - 1960s cold moulded 14's (c. Kirby 5)

the Water Wag (oldest one design - still sailing in Dun Laoghaire)

a cold moulded Firefly on the plane

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 11:37am
Originally posted by Koops

RS300 Smile


Yep, with new sail, seconded.  Would be even better with a black hull...



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Posted By: boatbasher
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 11:57am
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by tgruitt


Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by scotsfinn

Just how old is igrf. I thought the box brownie was old.
What was a "new dinghy " when you were 16? We sailed Lark number 34 which we brought four years old? Also sailed an FD which had wooden wheels on the launching trolley .... That was really photogenicEmbarrassed


Originally posted by tgruitt


I'm going to call rank on you then. Thanks Wink

As to you young Gruit, I would have taught blokes your age, I used to teach at the local Art College in the seventies, including stuff like parallax which you SLR blokes wouldn't have a clue how to deal with.
I thought the saying was "Those who can't, teach"? Don't you worry Mr GRF sir I've learned on everything from 35mm to large format 10x8" negs, twin and single reflex. Thanks for the 'young' comment too, I'm probably a bit older than you think I am.


Oh err sorry GRF... I can't find your name in here... I must be looking in the wrong place!

http://awards.the-aop.org/Previous_Awards" rel="nofollow - The Association of Photographers Awards

Funnily as an Art Director mine is.


Funny ... he does not seem to be credited with the invention of the windsurfer anywhere either .... or his perpetual motion discoveries ...

It is a cruel world which does not correctly credit genius ...


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by tgruitt


Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by scotsfinn

Just how old is igrf. I thought the box brownie was old.
What was a "new dinghy " when you were 16? We sailed Lark number 34 which we brought four years old? Also sailed an FD which had wooden wheels on the launching trolley .... That was really photogenicEmbarrassed


Originally posted by tgruitt


I'm going to call rank on you then. Thanks Wink

As to you young Gruit, I would have taught blokes your age, I used to teach at the local Art College in the seventies, including stuff like parallax which you SLR blokes wouldn't have a clue how to deal with.
I thought the saying was "Those who can't, teach"? Don't you worry Mr GRF sir I've learned on everything from 35mm to large format 10x8" negs, twin and single reflex. Thanks for the 'young' comment too, I'm probably a bit older than you think I am.


Oh err sorry GRF... I can't find your name in here... I must be looking in the wrong place!

http://awards.the-aop.org/Previous_Awards" rel="nofollow - The Association of Photographers Awards

Funnily as an Art Director mine is.


You'll have to go back a lot further than that lot to find me, 1966 through 70 had a couple of journo awards, but like the dozens of other trophies and awards they get forgotten about and gather dust in the loft, never really to be spoken of other than to slap down young upstarts on forums of course..

Had the front page of the Daily Sketch and the old Sun once, does that count?
The 100 quid (lot of money back then)earned was better than any award though..

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Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by tgruitt


Originally posted by maxibuddah

I hate to say it but probably the solo simply because it is slow. For the very reasons previously mentioned in that it pushes a lot of water out of the way. Always look good in tough conditions. The finn is pretty much the same


And the best bit is the amount of spray that obscures the helms face and in so doing avoiding the obvious embarrassment that goes with sailing one.

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Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 12:46pm
+1 veeeeerrry embarrassing and sooooo slow

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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 12:51pm
appropriate avatar Scotsfinn LOL


Naturally you could always sail one of your favourites to this theme tune...

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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 2:58pm
Returning to the original question, Int.14 K1061 Opus II design from the 1970s, I owned her and wish I still did Unhappy

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Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 7:22pm


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Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 10:01pm


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Date Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 10:12pm


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 13 Sep 13 at 10:13am
The contenders shared a course with the FDs in Holland last week. Both classes looked superb.

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Posted By: bernie
Date Posted: 13 Sep 13 at 5:10pm
If the thread is about being "photogenic", then IMO all skiffs are out.  They make make for good action pics, but photogenic they are not.

It has to have elegant lines (so that counts the RS300 well and truly out), and a traditional sailplan.

So, for me it would have to be the Thames A rater, Norfolk Punt, possibly a Javelin or Mk9 Merlin (before they got all wide an saucery). 


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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 13 Sep 13 at 8:19pm
Surely some thing that makes a good picture is photogenic.....

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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 13 Sep 13 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by bernie

If the thread is about being "photogenic", then IMO all skiffs are out.  They make make for good action pics, but photogenic they are not.

It has to have elegant lines (so that counts the RS300 well and truly out), and a traditional sailplan.

So, for me it would have to be the Thames A rater, Norfolk Punt, possibly a Javelin or Mk9 Merlin (before they got all wide an saucery). 

If this wasn't in the dinghy thread I'd have nominated 6M and/or Dragons as both are simply beautiful IMO, but as its dinghies I will disagree and stick with i14's, a great and fittingly photogenic class which exemplifies the best of British dinghy development 



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