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Topic: Good stuff at the dinghy show
Posted By: 2547
Subject: Good stuff at the dinghy show
Date Posted: 03 Mar 13 at 7:51pm
I was very impressed with the wooden clinker n12. Impressive craftsmanship. As was the ok with wooden decks. 


The icon looked good, Devotis input seems to have put the icing on the cake. 

Some smart looking Moths. How much is a state of the art one now?

Some of the radio boats looked pretty sleek. 

What were your favourites?



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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 03 Mar 13 at 8:00pm
Didn't buy anything myself, but was very impressed with how child friendly all the stands were. Things started well when we managed to get in the car park at 11.45. As soon as we entered we had the treasure hunt cards for kids. Most stands had a healthy stock of sweeties. The Yachts and Yachting stand even let my girls take a rest in their Optimist
 
 
 


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 03 Mar 13 at 8:04pm
oh god sudden maternal girlie moment.....they are ssoooo sweet....




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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 03 Mar 13 at 8:27pm
I'm here to tell you, that boat contains more trouble than you can ever imagine.

My high points, the Red Rocket, Thunder Road (but don't tell him), the Rig on that Girls 49er is well sorted, a Gucci Cherub (don't tell them either), the laminate on that boat delivery advert boat, an unbelievable demo of a cross between spinning jenny and the ark on steroids, (a Merlin auto canting rig), the new Supernova, and a cleat Clamcleat have developed for kitesurfing I'd no idea they'd done but it'll make a great trapeze cleat.


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Posted By: tick
Date Posted: 03 Mar 13 at 11:49pm
Been there, done that, only 3 boys 1 girl in our case!


Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 8:26am
3 girls one boy but not all in one go like you. Enjoy every minute of them.


Posted By: andybury
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 4:43pm
Loved the Goacher GP14 on the Harken stand, but I would say that.   http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jpeKIkIAi9sLcns9kb0fONMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink - http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jpeKIkIAi9sLcns9kb0fONMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 6:06pm
Loved the Exocet Moths and the International 12. Opposite ends of the dinghy racing spectrum, but both wonderful.

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 7:01pm
Did you not see the Aardvark rocket Rupert, I thought it looked amazing, the rig needs some work as do most foilers we (experts like Roger Tushingham, Lester Noble & I) agreed but the boat bit looked ef ay bee.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 8:19pm
I did see iot, and it looked pretty cool, too. But for me the Exocet edged it.

Who discovered that a bowsprit for the wand was allowed in the rules?


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Posted By: RichTea
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 8:51pm
Our Club received the prize for getting 20 or more members to purchase tickets, so two training bouys ready for cadet training.

Well done to Marconi members!


Posted By: L192444
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 9:20pm
There were a lot of Solos & Fireballs at the show ... hard to work out which was the class association Ouch

I too thought the ikon was looking good, is the rig tension really all done on that lever of the bow?




Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by Rupert

But for me the Exocet edged it.

Who discovered that a bowsprit for the wand was allowed in the rules?

No idea, why did the Exocet edge it for you, it wasn't even red.


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Posted By: Peaky
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by L192444

I too thought the ikon was looking good, is the rig tension really all done on that lever of the bow?



Yup

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Rupert

But for me the Exocet edged it.

Who discovered that a bowsprit for the wand was allowed in the rules?

No idea, why did the Exocet edge it for you, it wasn't even red.


2nd bit was aimed at a mothist, really.

It edged it partly because I just loved the hull shape, and partly because of the engineering involved in the mast stump. For all I know the red one was V similar in this, but it was the exocet that I looked at more closely.

Rather liked the A class cat, too.

For me, worst boats at the show, the Hartley 10 and 12. Was it just me, or did the thwart in the 12 really look like kitchen work top?


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 9:49pm
Can't say I noticed doesn't everything other than the Supernova that Hartley make look like kitchen bits.

That Aardvark moth thing must be a bit of a breakthrough sticking the wand a bit further ahead like that.


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Posted By: m1464
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 10:45pm
enterprise stand looked good, new rondar mk3 looking nice, lot of young faces on the stand too, obviously the class done some hard work to get the youth in


Posted By: L192444
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by Peaky

Originally posted by L192444

I too thought the ikon was looking good, is the rig tension really all done on that lever of the bow?



Yup

That seems a little inadequate. Those levers are real finger crushers. 

Is the forestay fixed at the hounds (I know I should have looked harder). 


Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 04 Mar 13 at 11:17pm
Highlights for me (considering staff as well as product) were;

OK (I'm biased)
Europe
Finn
D1 (just to keep Russ happy)
Supernova
Contender
Alto (hopefully going to get a go shortly)
Rooster

Dissapointments;

Streaker stand
Very few cats
No (genuine) "show special" deals like there used to be
Int Moths seemingly completely forgetting that they. Used to be water-bourne (same as their website)


Posted By: Barty
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 8:30am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

and a cleat Clamcleat have developed for kitesurfing I'd no idea they'd done but it'll make a great trapeze cleat.


If you search eBay for 'CL264 cobra' you'll find them

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 8:32am
Originally posted by Bootscooter


Alto (hopefully going to get a go shortly)


How's that going to happen scooter? Where do you sail?
Are they bringing a demo boat to your water?

You'll enjoy it, might even change your perspective.


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Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 9:06am
Is the forestay fixed at the hounds (I know I should have looked harder).

Yes - Also the jib is a 'zip-up' one and the halyard returns back down the sleeve.  That is incidental though - rig tension is easy to set up to the right tension with the lever system.   Some classes have very high rig tension - Icon needs only 'moderate' we find.  The jib is relatively large - ie the mast is a fair way back from the bow so the angles you are working with are fine with this simpler approach.  If you had a smaller 'rigging angle' - ie small foredeck relative to rig  then to get the same effect you  need much higher tension in our experience.

Remember Icon is intentionally simple ... this keeps it light as well, gives very clean lines, allows the crew to concentrate keeping their heads out of the boat, and means we can provide a very good all carbon rig package for a very reasonable price. 

The CA is now co-ordinating boat loans ... so why not try one for a couple of weeks ?   

Mike L.  


Posted By: Peaky
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 3:53pm
Well I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Anyone got any pics?

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Posted By: AlanH
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 3:58pm
Full album of Dinghy Show shots now up at www.fotoboat.com . Lots of good woodies there, especially Collective Spirit and the new BlueMotion 5.50. Lots composite decks on older classes, which looked good. Agree Icon looked great, its nice to see something so minimalist- compare with the black Merlin and the 505, which have so much string you run away screaming. Enjoy your browse thro the album.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by AlanH

Full album of Dinghy Show shots now up at www.fotoboat.com .

Two shots of a Sunfish and none of Canoes??


Posted By: AlanH
Date Posted: 05 Mar 13 at 5:05pm
Rarity value in UK re Sunfishes- you don't get to see them very often. Sorry to miss canoes, even in a whole day you can't get round all the stands, and there's certainly no time to listen to the talks- did people hear any good ones?


Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 06 Mar 13 at 10:03am
Best bit has to be meeting friends (but don't tell GRF), glossy boats come and go but good company is for ever.

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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 06 Mar 13 at 10:14am
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by AlanH

Full album of Dinghy Show shots now up at www.fotoboat.com .

Two shots of a Sunfish and none of Canoes??


Don't worry Jim, I was papping the Canoes all day! Smile


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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Mar 13 at 8:38pm
I listened to Dougaldog's Mirror birthday talk, and he was kind enough to use a photo of rupertson sailing his Mirror. Learned lots, and entertained. Cheers!

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Mar 13 at 8:48am
Another boat which I really liked the look of at the show was the X0/X1. Having seen her sailing at the FOM, it was good to get a good look and to have a chat about how the demoing is going. Really liked the foam pads holding the toestraps up off the deck, and the gnav slider. Very neat.

But does the traditional kite, so important to the design, put it up against boats, which whilst slower, already have a big following? And is it just too big for many?

I hope not, as it really looks to have combined the best of new and old for flat water sailing.


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Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 12 Mar 13 at 5:59pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G-kSQNvD0sA -
Suprised you ain't extolling the virtues of windsurfers as much nowadays GRF. As you can all see in the video below innovation is still happening in that field. Although I'm not sure about the 'wings', if they do work,  I wonder if the principle would transfer to a dinghy? So for instance would it allow a skinnier foiler to get to foiling speed, or a skiff to plane with less hull weight? As for the raised (front) sunken (back) Mast track - will any dinghy even develop a rig that slides back and forth to such a significant degree?
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G-kSQNvD0sA


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Mar 13 at 7:04pm
Yes we did talk about that on another thread not long ago, can't remember what it was about, something to do with T foils I think .

I swang by to see you, saw your brother, you were off buggering about on some committee or other..


Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 11:28am
What was with the floating block on the aft bridle on what I take to be (a much nicer-looking dark hulled) Icon?

http://fotoboat.thirdlight.com/viewpicture.tlx?containerid=15722880329&pictureid=15713477543 - http://fotoboat.thirdlight.com/viewpicture.tlx?containerid=15722880329&pictureid=15713477543

Back to the original, high-mainsheet-load, non-pointing Laser 2 set-up!


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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 12:04pm
Link doesn't work- fotoboat make it extraordinarily difficult to point a link towards a specific photo. I can understand disabling hotlinking of the images themselves, but there really needs to be a "link to this image" function to help drive traffic towards them...

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 12:46pm
Oddly enough, the link works for me!

Anyway, here is the photo:




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 1:11pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImZTwYwCug - Why does the name Sir Mix A lot spring to mind as a suitable name for that boat?


Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by iGRF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImZTwYwCug - Why does the name Sir Mix A lot spring to mind as a suitable name for that boat?

anything to do with the Finn sailors who seem keen to buy them?


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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 2:25pm
I think the Finn sailors are looking forward to a little R&R time with female crews inbetween doing manly stuff in there proper boats? Devoti & Rodney have the trust of most Finn sailors, so I guess that's what we buy. That should lead to a few posts?!
Regarding the mainsheet, bridle, etc, you can do what you want in that area on the Icon so don't draw too many conclusions.

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 2:28pm
Clearly rigged by a Finn sailor then.   Mike had better give them a tutorial before they start selling thus rigged.

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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by Thunder Road

I think the Finn sailors are looking forward to a little R&R time with female crews inbetween doing manly stuff in there proper boats?

ahh, nothing like a bit of gender stereotyping... so now it becomes clear why Mike followed the KISS principles when designing it... you can't go around expecting Doris Daycare to do anything so complex as setting a kite or stepping out on a wire; and after a full day on the water and few too many Brandy & Babychams, she'll have bugger all use for your wing-wang too no doubt.


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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 2:38pm
Interesting that people worry about an area that is free from class regulation, but miss the bigger rigging faux pas that was corrected on Saturday eveningWink 
I don't think Finn sailors in general know much about this type of girlie mainsheet arrangement, so good point.


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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 2:46pm
Well done Pondmonkey, you cheered up a pretty glum day, thanks.

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by Thunder Road

but miss the bigger rigging faux pas that was corrected on Saturday eveningWink 

Which was? (I wasn't at the show)


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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 4:28pm
You can see it on the photo Embarrassed

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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 4:35pm
Nope I can't see it, lack of jib?

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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 4:44pm
It has got a jib and there was the problem, the dangly pole line had been rigged on the wrong side of the lowers so the pole couldn't be fully extended. On the plus side it did stop an H&S situation with the pole flying out and hitting unsuspecting (ill informed) members of the public, when enthusiastically deployed by some of the many admirers of what was certainly second most beautiful boat at the show (the winner was obviously the Finn, my Finn if you were wondering Big smile).

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Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Thunder Road

On the plus side it did stop an H&S situation with the pole flying out and hitting unsuspecting (ill informed) members of the public, when enthusiastically deployed by some of the many admirers of what was certainly second most beautiful boat at the show (the winner was obviously the Finn, my Finn if you were wondering Big smile).

My Dad did that, embarrassingly. I did try to stop him...LOL


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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 5:11pm
Brilliant, thanks, I hope he wants a go on the water, even more fun!

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Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 13 Mar 13 at 11:07pm
So do I, the boat looks stunning to sail!

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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 14 Mar 13 at 8:41am
Just contact Rodney at Suntouched, you are a little far South to have a go in my boat, but if you find yourself in Yorkshire please get in touch.
Burning the midnight oil last night sorting out the mainsheet bridle, well 10 minutes anyway, as a Finn sailor rope was cut with teeth, etc. Then retired for a well earned Brandy and Babycham, cooked the dinner, did the washing up Wink


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 14 Mar 13 at 8:52am
Yorkshire?

Shouldn't that boat be called 'Honest' Thunder Road then? Everything else from Yorkshire seems to have to be prefixed 'honest' from Tea to Broadband, the only conclusion one can draw from a county that has to constantly prefix things with that adjective would suggest everything and everyone else there aint, and where's that PA of yours when you need her for the washing up eh?Wink


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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 14 Mar 13 at 9:10am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Yorkshire?

Shouldn't that boat be called 'Honest' Thunder Road then? Everything else from Yorkshire seems to have to be prefixed 'honest' from Tea to Broadband, the only conclusion one can draw from a county that has to constantly prefix things with that adjective would suggest everything and everyone else there aint, and where's that PA of yours when you need her for the washing up eh?Wink
I think a little clarification is in order, while I may live in Yorkshire and enjoy the Dales, the rest of it is a dump. How can anybody be proud of the towns and cities of said county, I live in the village of the damned and to visit my PA in the morning I must pass through Dewsbury and Batley, they are unspeakably dreadful with no hint of redemption. So, I guess that makes me an honest Yorkshireman, except I'm half American with a Scottish bit thrown inBig smile So just Thunder Road, pleaseCry

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Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 14 Mar 13 at 9:29am
The Icon CA is co-ordinating trials and occasionally loans of Icons - contact Mike Bell.  We also have 2 x Icons at Burghfield with a third arriving soon so we can help any of the 'interested' amongst you fairly easily now.  BSC is fairly central in the South of course.

The next outing for my own '03' is the 'Exmoor Beastie' on the 24th and again it might be possible for a loan boat to be available for this event if you like or live in striking range.   We are going there the day before the event itself on the 23rd so that might be a possibility as well.

Mike L. (Cirrus Raceboats) 



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