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Topic: unknown dinghy help!
Posted By: nikolasask
Subject: unknown dinghy help!
Date Posted: 27 Jan 13 at 6:16pm
not long ago i discover a sailing dingly in very very bad shape.i started fixing it but now i have some problems with rigging etc. so i need to find the name of the dinghyto see at least some photos of how it is fully equiped. please if anyone can help i would be more than gratefull,i spend days searching in the internet bus nothing...here are some info: loa around five metres,the hull material is plastic,it is very old as it was alredy used in the 80's,it has a storage room at the front, the sail says "made in germany" and also these dinghies were used in a german hotel in greece so most probably they are german built but i can't be sure and someone working in this hotel told me that they had iron centerboard(i'm not sure for that because it is missing). thanks and i hope someone out threre can help me....Smile here are some photos of it

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.558530807508890.136572.100000559273472&type=1&l=3e45f4bff4 



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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 27 Jan 13 at 7:56pm
I can't get to the photos, but try looking up "Korsar" on google - just a punt.

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Posted By: RichTea
Date Posted: 27 Jan 13 at 8:33pm
That didnt work, I thought skipper 14, but no idea sorry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=558531030842201&set=a.558530807508890.136572.100000559273472&type=3&l=3e45f4bff4&theater - Link here


Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 27 Jan 13 at 9:37pm
It looks like it might be a "Flying Bee"
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxobRZs5ouk  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxobRZs5ouk 
or 
http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-6245.aspx  - http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-6245.aspx 


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Posted By: nikolasask
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 10:28am
the boat in the picture is the same as the boat in the video?the boat in the picture sure looks a lot like mine but in the video is too small to be the one,unless the make bigger and smaller models ....anyway thanks a lot for the help


Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 10:58am
What questions did you have about the rigging?  There's a lot of experience on here and the boat looks relatively straightforward....


Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 11:17am
Originally posted by nikolasask

the boat in the picture is the same as the boat in the video?the boat in the picture sure looks a lot like mine but in the video is too small to be the one,unless the make bigger and smaller models ....anyway thanks a lot for the help

Possibly a Flying Junior then.
http://www.sailingtexas.com/picflyingjuniorca.jpg  - http://www.sailingtexas.com/picflyingjuniorca.jpg 
http://www.segel.de/fj/ - http://www.segel.de/fj/  
http://www.ifjo.org/ - http://www.ifjo.org/

The internal layout seems to be very varied, the one in the picture above looks similar to yours.

edit: corrected links.



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Posted By: nikolasask
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Ian29937

What questions did you have about the rigging?  There's a lot of experience on here and the boat looks relatively straightforward....


well my main problem right now is the centerboard....it is missing so i have to deal with everything that has to do with the mechanism that makes it go up and down.i could describe you the situation but my english are not that good especialy to speak with terminology.
so i will give it a try.at the center of the dinghy(you can see the photo) there is somekind of box where the centerboard stays in when it's pulled up. it's not the kind of dinghies that has a hole in the middle and you insert the centerboar until it locks down,in this dinghy it stays in the dinghy at all times,you just pull it up or leave it down. after a lot of work i constucted a centerboard that seems to be alright and i tried to recreate the mechanism that moves it(as every piece of its equipment was lost).at my first try i manage to make the centerboard to be pulled up but no matter what i do i can't get it to go down...so the big question is (if you have knowlege of a lot of diferent dinghies an if all the dinghies of this kind have similar mechanism) how in the name of god can i get it to go down?? the only thing that is left is to make a centerboard so heavy that goes down by itself but again needs a way to be locked down because the power of the water as the dinghy sails will bring it up. after all my problem is to do all these things from inside the boat and not have to swim every timeLOL


Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by nikolasask

Originally posted by Ian29937

What questions did you have about the rigging?  There's a lot of experience on here and the boat looks relatively straightforward....


well my main problem right now is the centerboard....it is missing so i have to deal with everything that has to do with the mechanism that makes it go up and down.i could describe you the situation but my english are not that good especialy to speak with terminology.
so i will give it a try.at the center of the dinghy(you can see the photo) there is somekind of box where the centerboard stays in when it's pulled up. it's not the kind of dinghies that has a hole in the middle and you insert the centerboar until it locks down,in this dinghy it stays in the dinghy at all times,you just pull it up or leave it down. after a lot of work i constucted a centerboard that seems to be alright and i tried to recreate the mechanism that moves it(as every piece of its equipment was lost).at my first try i manage to make the centerboard to be pulled up but no matter what i do i can't get it to go down...so the big question is (if you have knowlege of a lot of diferent dinghies an if all the dinghies of this kind have similar mechanism) how in the name of god can i get it to go down?? the only thing that is left is to make a centerboard so heavy that goes down by itself but again needs a way to be locked down because the power of the water as the dinghy sails will bring it up. after all my problem is to do all these things from inside the boat and not have to swim every timeLOL
 
Would a system like that used on an Enterprise work?  This utilises a friction device like the following which is fitted to the top of the centreboard and rubs on the inside of the centreboard case?
 
http://www.sailboats.co.uk/Catalogue~Centreboard_Brake~p_570512~c5504.html - http://www.sailboats.co.uk/Catalogue~Centreboard_Brake~p_570512~c5504.html
 
http://www.sailboats.co.uk/Catalogue~Milanes_Enterprise_Epoxy_Glass_Sheathed_CentreBoard~p_SD-254190-EGS~c5504.html - http://www.sailboats.co.uk/Catalogue~Milanes_Enterprise_Epoxy_Glass_Sheathed_CentreBoard~p_SD-254190-EGS~c5504.html


Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 1:27pm


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 8:21pm
Oh Geezus H Keerist...

There only one company that will sort that thing out for you.


Swan Vestas.


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 28 Jan 13 at 9:53pm
Kolibri

http://www.bazar.at/verkaufe-segeljolle-kolibri-anzeigen-4256002.html - http://www.bazar.at/verkaufe-segeljolle-kolibri-anzeigen-4256002.html


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Posted By: nikolasask
Date Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:21pm
thanks, will check it out.


Posted By: nikolasask
Date Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by winging it

Kolibri

http://www.bazar.at/verkaufe-segeljolle-kolibri-anzeigen-4256002.html - http://www.bazar.at/verkaufe-segeljolle-kolibri-anzeigen-4256002.html


looks very much like mine but its very small to be mine..maybe they have similar mechanisms thank you


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 5:54pm
the strange thing about your boat is where is the centreboard/daggerboard?

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the same, but different...



Posted By: nikolasask
Date Posted: 02 Feb 13 at 10:57am
Originally posted by winging it

the strange thing about your boat is where is the centreboard/daggerboard?

it has centerboard.if you see the photo there is a white benche.just behind it it's the box that the centerboard goes in. at the front side of this box there is a roll that aparently a rope goes through all the way to the centerboard, and that's the only way to deal with the centerboard from inside the boat.


Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 02 Feb 13 at 4:33pm
It's a system I have seen before, an enclosed case. Can't remember where unfortunately. As has been said, you raise it with a rope coming out of the front of the case.
I'm guessing it really needs a metal plate that would stay down under gravity.


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