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rodney
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Topic: 2019 RYA PYs Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 7:47am |
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Yes! Firefly, as I remember, was pegged at 100 but also there were a number of other 'primary' handicaps with the non-primary ones subject to changes, I think?
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Rodney Cobb
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 8:23am | |
Good, glad we got that straight! |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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PeterG
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 9:31am | |
I can't see the need of a "peg" for the PY, which is probably what was realised when the Firefly was dropped.
Yes it has a superficial appeal, and it's true the possibility of drift of the entire population of handicaps exists, but that doesn't matter. Handicapping is based purely on the relative performance of boats, and if you have large numbers of results from a wide range of boats, sailing against each other in almost infinite combinations then forcing one to be a peg is fairly meaningless, and is unlikely to make the analysis any easier, and it won't improve the application in any way.
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Peter
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 9:55am | |
Have you tried contacting them?
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Paul
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 10:04am | |
In comparison to a Solo, BM or D-Zero it is. Combine that with the fact that the roll is limited by the racks means that tacks were never quick on my local puddle (you know, you came to visit).The changes to the boat may have helped, it was certainly much easier to tack your Halo when you came to visit without the mainsheet tower in the way and the transom did not get dug in as you can stay forward. I would still be confident that in a tacking duel on my local puddle with any of those 3 the Blaze would come off second best.
I had great fun in mine but it was very hard to sail to its PY given the local conditions. |
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Paul
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 10:36am | |
The Firefly was 103 in the late 50s/early 60s with cotton sails, so it certainly wasn't pegged to that then. I believe at the very start one of the Portsmouth area one designs was picked as a datum point, but that was in the mid 50s.
I wasn't paying attention back then, but TBH I think this is just one of those myths. Every class had a yardstick change when terylene sails came out. There were I think about a dozen classes that retained the same number right through the terylene sails -> pyonline era when primary/secondary calcs were in use. The Firefly wasn't one of them. Edited by JimC - 12 Mar 19 at 10:43am |
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patj
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Mar 19 at 2:10pm | |
It isn't that lasers are getting slower, it's that the average crew skill of those racing them in PY data contributing races is getting worse and the best sailors are fleet racing. And likewise in other classes where the equipment hasn't changed. The Albacore for example has lost out over the last few years because there are not enough new back of fleet racers coming into the class but the good sailors still race in club handicaps as well as fleet opens..
It's why classes that newcomers buy (laser, mirror, feva etc.) all seem to gain points on their PY most years. |
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