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    Posted: 24 Oct 12 at 5:27pm
Trapeze lower than you think/feel you should be and use your legs to adjust the trim, if you feel like you're getting pulled <back> into the boat and you're crewing, stick your free hand over and behind your head, pro-Olymipic-styleee, this looks flash and also moves your CofG.
 
As far as alternatives or move-ups go, I'd have thought a V3000 was more suitable as a stepping stone to a 29er than an RS500, but sail wot ya got first & foremost
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Originally posted by simsy



In relation to Pondmonkey's post, the RS500 is nothing like the 29er. As much as it would be great for an RS500 to be a transitional boat to a 29er, the only thing the boats have in common are they both an asymmetric with a trapeze. The 29er learning curve would be a slightly steeper.

Which is precisely why I used the word 'alternative' in my post.   Confused  

So if the OP's intention is to sail a 500 for a couple of years at club level and then get into a 'proper skiff' when they've got a bit experience, quite frankly b**locks to the class rules that prohibit the crew taking the mainsheet.

Better to be out there enjoying the boat 'out of class' on a minor technicality, than be forever peeved off and disillusioned as the crew goes through the mainsail, around the forestay or worse, back in for early shower never to be seen at a sailing club again.

Jack's right (yep I did say that  LOL), there's no reason at all a 5ft 3' person shouldn't be enjoying a boat like a 500.  There's even the dacron smaller (S) rig to make it easier.


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@ 13.1m2 upwind sail area I see no reason why a 5'3" crew should have difficulties. There were / are plenty of 97' rules ( single wire 12.5m2 ) Cherub sailors out there at that size. I'm one of them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 12 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Is a 5'3" crew ever likely to be heavy enough to sail a 500 seriously?  The 500 ended up pretty heavily canvassed for its size, despite the intentions at the concept stage.



My thoughts exactly.  I sailed one in some blowy stuff earlier this year and I'm 5'11" and pretty experienced on the wire.  We kept it flat, but I cna see that someone shorter and lighter is going to struggle no matter how high or low on the wire.  If you're sailing for fun, fine; live with it and learn what techniques you can to get by.  If you're aiming to be a serious racer then change class to something that suits because otherwise you'll end up disillusioned, injured (back problems) and disheartened.  Why not choose something like a 420 to get started in until you grow more?  If you're not going to grow, start helming or get a Farr or a light skiff.


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Is a 5'3" crew ever likely to be heavy enough to sail a 500 seriously?  The 500 ended up pretty heavily canvassed for its size, despite the intentions at the concept stage.

Otherwise, yes it sounds like a question of trapezing lower while the helm works harder on the mainsheet to keep the boat flatter.
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Oatsandbeans has is spot on. There's no place for the crew taking the main on a 500. The boat's designed to be sailed a certain way, that should be the way it's sailed. There is a learning curve with every boat, some substantially more dramatic then others. There has been some fantastic advice given in regards to trapeze height (which I think in your case would really help), and it's most likely down to the helm not sailing the boat flat.

In relation to Pondmonkey's post, the RS500 is nothing like the 29er. As much as it would be great for an RS500 to be a transitional boat to a 29er, the only thing the boats have in common are they both an asymmetric with a trapeze. The 29er learning curve would be a slightly steeper.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 8:22pm
So the crew is nearly doing everything now so might as well just get a Musto/ 700 each and get more Boats on the water :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 7:44pm
But the crew taking the mainsheer *is* right on a trapeze boat. Its just that a couple of classes prohibit it for some reason.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DaveT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 5:58pm
I find continuous jib sheets pretty hateful things tbh, especially if your sailing boats were you might end up on a windy two sail reach. Likewise, sheets tied to trapeze handles are also the work of the devil. Stick with simple normal jib sheets for now, and learnt to trapeze comfortably flat like people have said.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 3:04pm
I agree O&B, but if it's a case of permanently getting t-bagged or sent around the forestay and all the helm needs is a few sails with just the rudder to get used to the speed boost, then the crew taking the sheet ain't no big drama.  We used to do all the time in 420s when we were making the transition from very slow boats into them.  

Soon enough the helm will want to take the sheet back again anyway, of course nowadays you could feasible consider the 500 as a training alternative to the 29er and the Olympic skiff pathway... in which case, the crew taking the sheet will actually be exactly what you say... teaching them the 'right' way first ;-)
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