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I think that is a great discussion for the MPS to be having. I have sailed a couple of major championships in the Contender and have experienced similar situations. And they still get events with 140 boats. So I don't think this will reduce their numbers at all.

One interesting point is does bring up is scoring DNC the same as DNF. I have never understood that as surely someone who goes out and sails has done more than someone who just stays on the beach. Easy to work out by just getting someone to count the tallies of those who have not gone afloat.
 
What would be harder is to get the DNFs into some sort of inishing order as they do in F1.
 
My other dislike is short time limits between the 1st boat finishing and the time limit running out. I went to one event where only 10 boats out of 50 finished because of this.
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I think the problem with that is encouraging folk to the start line who would not necessarily go, thereby heaping more pressure on the rescue boats.

My criticism aside from the obvious design issues of the boat that I've cracked on about over the years and the refusal of the class to accommodate lighter folk with better equalisation or smaller rigs, but the fact they had so many broken masts and one of their own is bleating about the size of the course and number of laps in that wind.

That class really is an eighties dinosaur 'it's technical we're all sailing deities if we master it' bullsh*t marketing  based organisation as are the RS lot with their similar attitude at the one and only Nationals I shall ever attend never mind sponsor until attitudes change.

Expecting folk to travel the distances they do to suffer the inequities of that sort of organised chaos really is a thing of the past and it is hardly surprising the take up is limited.
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I sailed an event recently where the scoring was said to be mixed handicap on average lap times, but if say the leading boats sailed 3 laps, boats that started properly but only sailed 2 laps were still given DNF (in no particular order) - effectively just the same as boats that didnt even start.  So is average lap racing meant to work that way?

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Originally posted by Contender443

 
My other dislike is short time limits between the 1st boat finishing and the time limit running out. I went to one event where only 10 boats out of 50 finished because of this.

Plus this...

Doesn't exactly encourage newcomers..
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Yep- time limits are my pet hate, I got done on one in a drifter at the MPSs in 2007.... that was truly frustrating to stand there drifting to the finish line and not get a result!!!  

Although the same RS nationals you refer to Graeme, I must concede the RO was gracious to mislay his watch when I was definitely a good 5 minutes or so over it as the last finisher of the last race.  Considering less than half the fleet were out, it was clear to me the RO 'got it' on making sure those of us with the balls to stay out there got a bit of a pat on the back.

As for the MPS thread linked- I actually agree with the points made about it being World Championship and the courses needed to suit the location inside the harbour.  I doubt those unable to get around 3 laps would even get to the race course outside the wall, so there is a fundamentally flaw in the OP's logic, although I like very much that he feels he can make the points he makes and at least get a reception without a condescending response from the front runners... great fleet ethos.

EDIT- just read the thread, worryingly some folks seemed to be sailing without the requisite insurances in place??!!??  WTF????????  Confused


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Originally posted by G.R.F.

My criticism aside from the obvious design issues of the boat that I've cracked on about over the years and the refusal of the class to accommodate lighter folk with better equalisation or smaller rigs, but the fact they had so many broken masts and one of their own is bleating about the size of the course and number of laps in that wind.

When are you going to get it Graeme, classes are weight specific and weight equalisation is a load of b0ll0cks. Go to most class events and all the sailors will be the same size (with a few exceptions).
 
As far as the broken masts go they say there were only 3 and one of those was because of someone colliding with a capsized boat. Hardly a fault of the boat.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

 EDIT- just read the thread, worryingly some folks seemed to be sailing without the requisite insurances in place??!!??  WTF????????  Confused
They must have had 3rd party insurance. The way I read it was some countries do not offer fully comp as we do in the UK.
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Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
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