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When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
It is that way and most of us like it that way. You are never going to change us.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote r2d2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by Contender443

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
It is that way and most of us like it that way. You are never going to change us.
I guess GRF is that way and most of us like him that way.  We are never going to change him? Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Contender443

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
It is that way and most of us like it that way. You are never going to change us.

Which is why you're wrong.

Has your wife never told you?

You're always wrong...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...

weight equalisation has been tried and tested... it's failed.  It doesn't work.  Laser 'Equalised Performance System'.... no thanks.  

In the main we pick a boat with a weight band that suits us.  Some boat have a broader weight band than others.  You just seem to pick SMODs, but their nature they have narrower weight bands as they don't have flexibility in selecting the rigs- until recently, and even then that's compromised because folks can't cope with accepting that an 8.4 is just as quick (faster imho) than a 10.2 if selected for the conditions right.  
The truth is- you at 70kg and me at 100kg, could actually race against each other in Solos, OKs and probably even Phantoms if you got a flexi-twig and flat cut sail.  Slice out the extreme conditions at both ends of the beaufort we could actually have a good race- IRRESPECTIVE of how much we weigh!
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Well the only real equalised performance system you need really is multiple sail size options.

I note they did offer two sizes with thee EPS and I'm supposed to have the small one with the racks right out which would be most uncomfortable most of the time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 4:09pm
not sure how equalisation could ever work unless weight is also added to the boat - otherwise surely the lighter guys have all the advantages as soon as you sail down hill or in lighter winds ; that does presume their pathetic little arms can pull the sails in  Wink
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Well the only real equalised performance system you need really is multiple sail size options.

I note they did offer two sizes with thee EPS and I'm supposed to have the small one with the racks right out which would be most uncomfortable most of the time.

well there's a golden nugget of wisdom there Graeme- and you either said it in passing as a result of years with the rig in your hands, or you said it with wry, hidden undertone....

'multiple sail size options'

I totally agree with the concept, what I find abhorrent is the apparent need to regulate such options and to justify performance variables between them. 

I've long since been an advocate of 'choose your weapons', 12/18 ft skiff style.  And to the 'arms race argument'... do one... it's dinghy sailing, it's not cheap and another rag to make the boat more accessible is not going to prevent anyone from joining in.  In fact, given that it opens-up the wind and weight range if free choice is allowed to stand then imho, it makes the 'toy' more usable.  If something's more usable I'd be confident you'd get more people joining in longer term. 

I do wonder how many of those back markers at the MPS Worlds would have happily spent another, what 500 on that skinny "training" mainsail that was previously discussed and kept sailing.  After all the cost of hauling a boat from Spain, Accommodation for 2 weeks + all the other costs... well 500 is not a massive addition.  I'd certainly rather make a 'once in a lifetime opportunity' sailable, rather than feel it's a once in a lifetime 'missed' opportunity!!!!
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Once the volume of the boat and the size of the sail reach a given and I don't have the maths to prove it right here, but with boards, 9 mtr sail and 265+ ltrs about did it, but the light weights have to down sail size pdq.

So, there's no reason that a boat can't do the same then let us not selfish folk who don't take up too much room, consume tons more than our fellows, cost more to transport, not to mention burden the NHS or wear out pavements with our excess weight, get to use wider wings..
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Well you see short and skinny people do consume more of the world's financial resources than you may initially think.

for example clothing... why is that whenever there's a sale on, it's only the small (and occasionally) medium t-shirts that are left in it?  Simples... short/skinny folks demand they get treated equally, so shop stock up but then they get left with it.  When in truth everyone knows that short people can't afford nice stuff anyway.    

Now you don't need an economics degree to know that a shop selling its smaller sizes at sub-cost at the end of the season needs inflated profit elsewhere to sustain the model... in other words, us regular blokes in L and XL T-Shirts are subbing your sale items at our 'inflated' RRP.

And the irony is.... there's already a special area of the store for you guys. It's called the Children's Section... please go buy your t-shirts there, and don't bleat about the prices... shoes are VAT free for your little feet too.  

I hear even Dakine does a kids range these days and you might get a free lollipop if you shop in the right children's section... you look like you need the calories. 


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Some good news at least

You waste more space, breath more air, consume more cloth concealing all that blubber and if I ever get into power will be consigned to Fat Camps where they turn all Phantom Sailors into the final Solution
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