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Post Options Post Options   Quote 49erGBR735HSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 05 at 12:43am
Not sure if she'd fit your criteria too well but there are a few J80s going for about 20K
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 05 at 8:04am
I'd be surprised if J80s have a sufficiently high (Stablility Screening System Number) SSSN for overnight offshore racing. J92s can't do some of the longer offshore races for that reason.
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Well Mike, what have you decided on?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote damp_freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 05 at 5:34pm
if you are thinking Mustang 30 and OD then look also at the Impala and the laser 28

Both have some OD and sleep their crew. The impala is far sweeter on the helm than any other Thomas designs I've sailed including the now ageing and hard thrashed sigma 33s. ( which are pigs, do not sleep all their crew and do not rate on IRC)

Nice up wind, good on the reach but dead down wind the Impala rolls like only David Thomas designs know how to. But they were used in JOG with success.

If you want to sit up and plane, but have some more work cut out for you, then the laser 28 also features in JOG. Having  sailed both the impala is more of a helmsmans boat IMHO. but the laser (or redfox later builds) is comfier downstairs  and will get you up 'la manche' at 14knts in a force 5-6

Mustangs - seem to be many modified or with odd sail sets, and don'tt sleep all their crew. Also havee an SBR rating.

Impala- quite strict OD but ca use your local sailmaker, as with Laser 28.


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On the subject  of the laser 28:

It was made for a jib, but slapped a new track and genoa on, ergo take it down early or go sideways !.

with any boat, better to pay for new sails at purchase price or as full budget- and maybe a spare grand or two for a traveller and winches, or new paint job. (impala would win on being reasonable starting price to put new gear on. stake)

The big laser had a good design house- Bruce Farr and layout/industrial design by a then bum-fluffed julian bethwaite


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Originally posted by damp_freddie

the now ageing and hard thrashed sigma 33s. ( which are pigs, do not sleep all their crew and do not rate on IRC)

S/33s do sleep the full crew of 7 (OD maximum). 4 saloon berths, 2 forepeak berths, one quarter berth. It is cosy and you have to be fairly flexible to get in and out of the upper saloon berths. I wouldn't call them pigs either - a bit rolly-polly on the run maybe. They are depressingly slow downwind though. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote damp_freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 05 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by damp_freddie

the now ageing and hard thrashed sigma 33s. ( which are pigs, do not sleep all their crew and do not rate on IRC)

S/33s do sleep the full crew of 7 (OD maximum). 4 saloon berths, 2 forepeak berths, one quarter berth. It is cosy and you have to be fairly flexible to get in and out of the upper saloon berths. I wouldn't call them pigs either - a bit rolly-polly on the run maybe. They are depressingly slow downwind though. 




Sleep 7? Not in any degree of comfort. as for 4 saloon berths , the pilots are for kids!   Add usual gear amounts and they don't do as 'on the box', but david thomas did not design them for the 5 gorillas plus helm plus foredeck.



Having done my 'apprenticeship' on smegs I haven't sailed on one for 6 years and wish people would go buy some new(er) one design which is as well controlled a OD and sails better.

Once I had worked up to actually helming smegs I was amazed how dreadul they are IMO




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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 05 at 7:19pm

S33's...pity the owners and those who sail them have never learnt much about the rules. The windward mark was more digem's than yacht racing -  creating lots of work for repairers.

My main gripe about the class was that having gone to all the trouble to have the required number of plates, knives, forks etc, then spent a merry half-hour moving the anchor and chain 50 cms to the rear, and having had to do a long delivery trip to the "European Championship" the class is then offered 5 days of windward leeward races.

What is the point of going to the trouble of having a cruiser-racer if  you then get the  kind of racing more suitable for a Mirror or FF15 fleet (no disrespect intended). In a true test of sailing for such a boat there should be at least one race where the navigator is the most important member of the crew!

I was disappointed to go to Cork and not get a race through the Harbour entrance. If I went to a big Sigma event on the Solent I would expect to get a Round the Island Race. Surely that is what this type of boat is designed for!

 

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PS We don't say "depressingly slow down wind". We prefer to say " the runs are tactically challenging!"

 

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote damp_freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 05 at 9:15pm
I have to agree that the sig  33 is a boat which attracts sailors who want to do tthe wrong thing with it.

Some bailed out to the Elan 333 or X332 and others to sports boats. But if thte mumm 30 had been built with cheaper materials we  could have a decent OD fleet in the UK



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The Mumm isn't expensive to buy just to run, and they are a lot harder to sail than a Sig 33 Elan or X332, but are by far the best boat to sail.
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