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Poll Question: The best racing sailor ever
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
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25 [34.72%]
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2 [2.78%]
3 [4.17%]
1 [1.39%]
0 [0.00%]
6 [8.33%]
1 [1.39%]
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Originally posted by 2547


 
Being good downwind in waves isn't quite the same as being the first one to hike out ... 

Yes, but the bandaging expert of Cincinatti isn't on the list! Wink

Sorry, a cryptic reference to the first documented "hiker", which wasn't Elvstrom.


Edited by Chris 249 - 18 May 12 at 10:53am
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Posts: 1130 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:02am
Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by 2547


 
Being good downwind in waves isn't quite the same as being the first one to hike out ... 

Yes, but the bandaging expert of Cincinatti isn't on the list! Wink

Sorry, a cryptic reference to the first documented "hiker", which wasn't Elvstrom.
yeah but was he the first to put it to devistating use in a championship?
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Elvestrom was the first sailor to realise that sailing every day was the key to success. He and his training partners used to break the ice to sail.
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Posts: 2041 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by 2547


 
Being good downwind in waves isn't quite the same as being the first one to hike out ... 

Yes, but the bandaging expert of Cincinatti isn't on the list! Wink

Sorry, a cryptic reference to the first documented "hiker", which wasn't Elvstrom.
yeah but was he the first to put it to devistating use in a championship?

No, but other 1880s Americans in the same class put the technique to devastating use in the first international small-boat championship very shortly afterwards, beating the British team.
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I've never been sure where this idea that Elvstrom was the first person to use hiking straps comes from? They can clearly be seen in photos of 14's from when he was a baby, so unless he was even more precocious than previously thought, it can't be true. And, as Chris says, canoe sailors were hiking in the USA in the 1880's. Very unsporting too - just not cricket!
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I thought it was the Kicking Strap, not the hiking strap, that he supposedly (but possibly didn't) invent?
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think you're right Al - i'm pretty sure its Kicking Strap
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I voted for Ben 'cos I'm a patriotic type*, just how many Danes are there reading this forum anyhow?  Tongue

* and yes, I think he deserves it on record
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Elvestrom was a trailblazer getting his results at a time when he showed everybody how to be professional.
 
Ben gets his results against people who are already professional.
 
Ben has to get the nod on that point alone.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Chris 249

If ranked by the number of sailors beaten 

And there lies the essential point.

Dinghy sailing 'worlds' with 20 -30 competitors, compared with Boardsailing Nationals with 500 competitors a lot of whom were dinghy sailors.


 how many  proper  IYRU/ISAF sanctioned world championships for dinghy classes  run with that small a number of boats ? 

wasn't there a saga a few years ago where the ISAF said if you weren't an International Class  you couldn't have  Continental or World Championships ....
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