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Poll Question: The best racing sailor ever
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
32 [44.44%]
25 [34.72%]
1 [1.39%]
2 [2.78%]
3 [4.17%]
1 [1.39%]
0 [0.00%]
6 [8.33%]
1 [1.39%]
1 [1.39%]
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    Posted: 18 May 12 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Rupert



Oh, I did find that RIP is available again, though, to download, if you google it. Been impossible to find for years. Used to watch it several times a day when working at Wet and Windy in Bristol in the mid 90's

I still have it on VHS, and I still have the player to play it on!  There was that great line - 'Taco Bell, lunch of champions'. Could that be Ben's secret?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 8:13pm
Au contraire Little Monster the innovator has primacy over the guy who uses the innovation  40 or more years later.

Reead Elvstrms account of his first two medals. First to realise that sailing every day makes a difference. He won in 48 after retiring in the first race because he was, on port tack, within 3 boat lengths of a starboard boat. He won the last race because he took 4 rolls in his main, sailed the beats without a jib but hoisted jub on run and last two reaches. He never capsized and never filled his boat.

he then went home and invented a hiking bench!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 6:58pm
It is hard (an nonsensical) enough choosing between a yotty and a dinghy sailor, let alone adding standyuppy sailors into the mix. There aren't enough frames of reference - you may as well add Steve Redgrave to the list.

Oh, I did find that RIP is available again, though, to download, if you google it. Been impossible to find for years. Used to watch it several times a day when working at Wet and Windy in Bristol in the mid 90's
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rb_stretch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 6:45pm
If Naish should be in there I would also add Bjorn Dunkerbeck. I seem to remember he won something like 10 world titles on the trot. GRF probably know the exact stats better than me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Chris 249

If ranked by the number of sailors beaten 

And there lies the essential point.

Dinghy sailing 'worlds' with 20 -30 competitors, compared with Boardsailing Nationals with 500 competitors a lot of whom were dinghy sailors.


 how many  proper  IYRU/ISAF sanctioned world championships for dinghy classes  run with that small a number of boats ? 

wasn't there a saga a few years ago where the ISAF said if you weren't an International Class  you couldn't have  Continental or World Championships ....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Little Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 6:27pm
Elvestrom was a trailblazer getting his results at a time when he showed everybody how to be professional.
 
Ben gets his results against people who are already professional.
 
Ben has to get the nod on that point alone.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 4:27pm
I voted for Ben 'cos I'm a patriotic type*, just how many Danes are there reading this forum anyhow?  Tongue

* and yes, I think he deserves it on record
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think you're right Al - i'm pretty sure its Kicking Strap
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 4:07pm
I thought it was the Kicking Strap, not the hiking strap, that he supposedly (but possibly didn't) invent?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 12 at 3:31pm
I've never been sure where this idea that Elvstrom was the first person to use hiking straps comes from? They can clearly be seen in photos of 14's from when he was a baby, so unless he was even more precocious than previously thought, it can't be true. And, as Chris says, canoe sailors were hiking in the USA in the 1880's. Very unsporting too - just not cricket!
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