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SSolo
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Topic: ISAF Women’s Skiff Evaluation - Stop press... Posted: 08 May 12 at 6:24pm |
would be nice to see all the designs progress to class build... but i guess hard economics will dictate what happens to the designs
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 6:52pm |
A near competitor to the RS800 might not be the smartest of moves... Things are tough enough for high performance classes at the moment anyway. I wonder if as a quid pro quo for not introducing a competitor the RS800s might be persuaded to drop their mainsheet rule - at least for all female crewed boats. |
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pondmonkey
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 7:14pm |
I had exactly the same thought Jim regarding the mainsheet rule
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 7:16pm |
It will be interesting to see if the FX affects 800 sales. I know it's a lot more expensive, but it comes with a certain prestige and a fair bit more performance, which might be important to some.
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r2d2
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 8:26pm |
he'd probly buy two and harness together them side by side as a super stable skiff-cat thing
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haroosh
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 9:15pm |
yep my thoughts exactly......
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 9:39pm |
Can't see there being a market for it. It would be harder to sail than the 800, so for the average club sailor with only odd weekends it could prove too challenging to sell in mass quantities. I see a lot of people posting saying they'd like one, but I don't think in reality they would hack it, especially when competing against pro helms.
I don't see the FX diminishing the 800 fleet either (apart from the girls who are currently there). Again, it will be much more challenging than an 800 and I can't see the 800 fleet fitting the weight range, or wanting to be beat by the pro girls. I think if you want an accessible two person skiff, then the 800 is still the best option. 800 sailors currently have the option of moving into a 49er if they are finding it too easy, but unsurprisingly few do. Sailing around in a boat you don't have the time or ability to compete in against top sailors in small fleets isn't many people's cup of tea. However, the womens skiff may actually feed the 800 fleet. You'll find many young sailors, after being thrashed on the Olympic circuit for a year or two, will realise they want to get a job and compete on a amateur level with top social, for these girls moving from the FX to 800 will be an obvious choice. This is definitely something that has happened to a few of the ex 49er sailors who couldn't quite cut it.
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ham4sand
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 10:34pm |
everyone seems to talk about skiffs like they are devils to sail??? Que?
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 12 at 10:37pm |
Have to say that I quite like the mainsheet rule as it gives helms (who are often the owner) more crew flexibility. Soon as crews use the mainsheet, then you really have to have a properly steady crew. I would suggest that flexibility is possibly why the RS800 has had the success it has. |
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 12 at 12:09am |
That's probably the best single way to have sailing dumped from the Games, according to the way I read the IOC's Olympic Programme Commission report.... I assume you have read it to place your remarks in context? The OPC's criteria for keeping sports in the Games rates "universality" (which includes the number and geographic spread of nations in qualifying events, the number of other major Games in which the sport is included, the number and geographic spread of medallists) just as highly as viewer "popularity", which is the TV ratings and spectator appeal so many people keep talking about. Sailing is already struggling for credibility in terms of being a "universal" sport according to the OPC report; i.e. we fail the criteria for being in the other Games as we are only in the Pan Am and Asian Games and not the All-African Games, Commonwealth Games or University Games. Sailing was almost dumped from the Pan Am Games because of attempts to impose the existing Olympic classes on that event. It was a major problem for the small nations - read the continental association's website on the matter. If they couldn't afford to use the existing Olympic classes then how in the world where they going to be able to afford to buy complete new fleets of more expensive boats? If sailing is going to ignore the problems of the smaller nations we will surely score even worse on universality, WHICH THE IOC RATES AS IMPORTANT AS SPECTATOR APPEAL. And what about the realpolitik? Are we just going to say to small nations "f*&k you, come back when you can sail a skiff" and then run along every four years and say "Oh, by the way can the sport that has been ignoring you please get your national Olympic association's vote so we rich countries can keep playing with our expensive toys"???? How well is that going to play when the votes go in??? And we do all of this so some sailors can get a really, really, really fast boat to sail instead of having to "put up with" a really, really fast boat? If we ignore the wishes of the small sailing nations we can be pretty damn sure that those nations will ignore the wishes of our sport to remain in the Games, too. And who could blame them? |
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