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Is the RYA actually "clinging on to it"? Has anyone actually taken a motion to change the situation to the board or the AGM?
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Originally posted by Jeremy S Cooper

The Chinese will be very happy to increase their sphere of influence from Africa into South America - the politics will be fascinating and the ramifications way beyond the political nous of our current 'masters'. 
 


China is permanently on the hunt for resources. Argentina 'sells' exclusive rights to all the oil that 'belongs' to them to China for XYZ Billion. Chinese warships will obviously be needed to protect their investment but what's this, Brits occupying Argie Islands and stealing the oil. Velly velly interlesting. Good job we've still got a Navy fit for purpose!


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shame the Queen Elizabeth Class won't be commissioned for rapid response air support until after the fecking games then innit?  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SUGmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 12 at 11:17am
Originally posted by rogue

shame the Queen Elizabeth Class won't be commissioned for rapid response air support until after the fecking games then innit?  


There's the point, as a country we don't need 2 American sized QE Class carriers, for the same money we could have built 6 (or more) Invincible pocket carriers which could have been built by now, continue using, and upgrading, the Sea Harriers for as long as necessary until the F-35B came along.

Cretins Blaire and Brown just had to have a bigger Carrier than the French
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I suppose its inevitale that this topic would get political...

Personally I think it would be foolish of the RYA to bind themselves about what they should do no matter what the circumstances.

Turkeys rarely vote for Christmas, so we know that the sailors would vote to go no matter what the circumstances. Whether the RYA was right or wrong to implement the boycott last time is difficult to say even with hindsight.

I do agree with other contemporary sailors who have stated elsewhere that the people who happpened to win the rather pointless event at Weymouth do not consitute an Olympic team for the 1980 games, and that there is no way of knowing who would have been in such a team.
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I do worry about the
Who might or might not have won the 1980 trials- discussion.
 
Unfortunately the BOA and LOCOG have used this to sideline our requests for a meeting and one key BOA meeting was suddenly cancelled after this article was published that it was a non event.  The author of that artice has in fact signed our petition and supports us.
 
Of the main serious 1980 players only Rodney Pattison (who was rated 3rd FD in UK at the time  and his naval crew's leave was cancelled) and Lawrie Smith 470  (chose a paid for skipper job elsewhere) did not show up.  The athletes were told by Vernon Stratton that like the rowers council  (who boycotted and then changed their minds )- the decision could still be reversed and we should race. We were broke but we took him at his word and went.
 
Some of the others who did attend may not have been in the 'mood' to try their best but that will not change the key issues ahead.
 
Who the team may have been is not important to the core issues that  must be addressed
 
1    The UK had we had three sailors Chris Law Rob White and David Campbell James who won the pre Olympic  Europeans in their classes with a race to spare in 1980 and were solid gold prospects and the RYA council ruined their sailing careers for ever wihtou so much as The RYA president getting ou of his chair to go find them and sorry they had to do this.  These three guys above the others and me deserve a better result fomr the RYA and sorry would be a good start  trying to get them the MBEs they would almost certainly have got would help.  President Carter who started all this apologised and admitted it was a bad decision -  why can not the RYA?
 
2     It does not matter who the team might have been - Either the RYA made a mess of the selected team's lives or made a mess of all those people who won the trials and those vey few others that claim they might have done. most of the team quit after the trials and either left the sport at Olympic level -- or just dropped back in later.  The team focus and success took 12 years to recover.
 
The RYA can and one day likely will be easily bullied into doing it again in next 20 years or more   - the Athletics and swimming team never did and never will because the vote is with the athletes
 
 
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Originally posted by Colin Simonds

The RYA can and one day likely will be easily bullied into doing it again in next 20 years or more   - the Athletics and swimming team never did and never will because the vote is with the athletes
 
 

Then so be it, imho.  If it's really come to that and there's such significant global pressure (war, famine, economic meltdown, genocide, pandemic illness... whatever)  for the RYA to boycott, then the 5 ring circus dinghy dancing really is the least of our worries... sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the reality of the 21st Century.

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Originally posted by Jeremy S Cooper

The Chinese will be very happy to increase their sphere of influence from Africa into South America - the politics will be fascinating and the ramifications way beyond the political nous of our current 'masters'.


China is permanently on the hunt for resources. Argentina 'sells' exclusive rights to all the oil that 'belongs' to them to China for XYZ Billion. Chinese warships will obviously be needed to protect their investment but what's this, Brits occupying Argie Islands and stealing the oil. Velly velly interlesting. Good job we've still got a Navy fit for purpose!


 

 

Better keep a close eye on them boys - the buggers will be half way across Poland before anyone has noticed! 


 
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So if Brazil nationalises all the British owned Oilfields in Brazilin 2015 ( No suggestion they will - just a silly example)  and the government  bully the the Athletes  councils not to go - it will be fine if Atleics and swmming go and win medlas and get MBE and get careers in UK sport like Coe and Moynihan have done  and fine taht tourists go to watch the games and fine we continue to sell them technology and stuff  - ( all this happened at Moscow)
 
But like Moscow our sailors and Canoes and Rowers stay at home?  That is not harsh  it is barmy?   and is it not remotely fair.. should be all out or none out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 12 at 12:30pm
From a personal POV I think that sport & politic's must be seperate BUT the real world tells me that everything is a pawn in the power game of world politics.
It is the way it is.But That doe'nt mean that we shouldn`t try to change that view.
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