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Poll Question: Now many of us have actually seen them which do you think is best?
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I'm not so sure the Aura is a more up to date design, it just seems to draw on features evolved from a different set of criteria. That bow is a solution to designing a boat to a length limit, which is a different question.
Any of the designs might have implications for the RS800, but they will take time to establish a circuit and a secondhand market, so the 800 will remain a strong choice for a twin-wire club/amateur boat. It is kind of 'mainstream' and 'sensible' compared to 49ers, 14's etc. If you get a chance to try an 800, take it.

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Thank Nick for your reply. 

I happily agree the announcement of the Ladies Skiff in Brazil has been a massive boast to skiff sailing generally. Second hand 29ers are worth at least 800 more than before the announcement. Three teenage girls at our club brought one each (parent pound). It should help all skiff classes. 

After the boat show the rs900 was the boat I wanted to sail most. It looked much more attractive than the rs800. Being a middle age male I am not the target audience but we will be buy the second hand boats. 


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Doesn't anyone else find it ever so slightly significant that the Governing body of the sport is calling for a design that if unsuccessful would commercially be a no hoper?

I very much doubt the Aura beautiful boat that it is will go into production either.

So what's wrong then?




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Not sure about that. The 29erXX meets the brief and exists commercially. The 900 would be commercially hot stuff apart from clashing with the RS800.
The 49er variant could be viable as a training rig like the laser variants.
It's been said before that existing classes do not benefit from becoming olympic. In days of old, I understand that the 505 and Fireball both actively avoided olympic selection. The laser is probably an exception.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Doesn't anyone else find it ever so slightly significant that the Governing body of the sport is calling for a design that if unsuccessful would commercially be a no hoper?


I dunno about significant but its certainly bizarre. But its just another symptom of the "high performance is the future of sailing" myth, and of course you know what that did to board sailing.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Doesn't anyone else find it ever so slightly significant that the Governing body of the sport is calling for a design that if unsuccessful would commercially be a no hoper?


I dunno about significant but its certainly bizarre. But its just another symptom of the "high performance is the future of sailing" myth, and of course you know what that did to board sailing.
 
Most Olympic equipment isn't commercially viable ... how many of the British cycling bikes are sold succesfully to the world market, or RSXs or Javlins or shot puts and so on ?
 
 
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Yes, but the kid down the athletics club is throwing a Javlin already. She isn't then being told "Javlins are so ancient greek, you should be throwing this amazing thing we have invented - it is an Olympic sport now, so you have to use it". The new throwy thing would have to catch on, be used by lots of people all over the world, and then, due to it being a massive world-wide sport, be selected for the games.

Oddly, Frizbee hasn't made it, though?
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Not sure about that. The 29erXX meets the brief and exists commercially. The 900 would be commercially hot stuff apart from clashing with the RS800.
The 49er variant could be viable as a training rig like the laser variants.
It's been said before that existing classes do not benefit from becoming olympic. In days of old, I understand that the 505 and Fireball both actively avoided olympic selection. The laser is probably an exception.
 
29erxx exists commercially, but has not been exactly a huge success; the rig (more or less) has been finalized in 2009 and since then most of the sales are rigs chartered in events and then sold with a discount. In our club we have 3 boats (4 if we count an old green rig)  but I guess we are the biggest fleet in the planet for a single club :D
 
49er variant could really be IMHO a training tool; the boss of our club is praying for the fx to be seletect, in order to use them for double trapeze sailing courses :D; but again, I don't know it there will be sufficient numbers just for that.
 
 
I honestly think that without the "olympic push" there woudn't be a proper market for girls skiff, and that the only boat that could survive a negative outcome of the trial is the XX, since it'a a simple and (relatively) inexpensive upgrade from the widely spread 29er.
 
 
 
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17Mika, do you have many other twin wire boats in Italy? In the UK we have some International 14's, which are expensive to keep up to date, plus quite a lot of RS800's, a few Cherubs, a few 49ers. A few others too. I sail an RS800 a few times a year, it's great.
I think there wil be a market for twin wire boats, where is the logic in 'one wire is good, two wires is bad'? I mostly sail hiking boats, but if I went for a trapeze boat, why not twin wires? There are enough people around who have helmed from the wire now, on Contenders, RS600's, Mustos and RS700's, I think twin wires will slowly become accepted into more people's minds. Particularly sailing as a couple, it makes sense for the taller male to be out on the wire.
If the XX has only been marketed for less than 3 seasons, it is doing well to have sold a few boats around the globe. A lot of people are probably holding back for the results of the trials.

I understand that in Scandinavia, the RS500 is quite popular as a youth/girls 2 wire boat, if it has proved popular there, then I believe there is a market for a range of 2 wire boats worldwide. I don't think those sailors will grow older and want to progress to a hiking boat, without the choice of continuing with the twin wires.
The 49er is too big/powerful for most female sailors, which creates a need for something smaller.
It may only be good at big lakes and sea venues, but that is not a problem.
Whether there are enough 2-female teams to get good racing in one country is another question, maybe most females would do a lot of their racing in a mixed fleet. For that reason the 29erXX might win, as it would have youth teams for ladies teams to tune up against and train with.
It's always nice to hear different views from different countries.
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