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Contender443
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Topic: Women's skiff re-vote Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 6:59pm |
Because ally is so last century. This is supposed to be a cool 21st century boat. Can you imagine a F1 car with aluminium suspension struts???
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SoggyBadger
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 7:07pm |
And wind propulsion is significantly older ... |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 8:08pm |
Aren't they the ones that have a wooden plank underneath, and if you wear too much off you're DSQ? |
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craiggo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 8:14pm |
It does appear that we have become obsessed with Carbon fibre, even when its not the best material for the job.
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laser193713
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 9:36pm |
No (well yes actually), but can you imagine an F1 car with a budget for a GP including the car of about 20 grand!? Comparing cars and boats is such a last resort tactic for making a point. Carbon for the sake of being black really does annoy me. I feel slightly embarrassed sailing the 100 times with its GRP pole which is carbon covered just for the sake of its colour, and the carbon foredeck which you can have in GRP too, so it cant be there for weight or structural reasons.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 9:43pm |
Even the British Moth, designed in 1932, has a carbon boom these days...
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 10:20pm |
Sure, but you don't necessarily need a carbon boom. I had a tin boom on my PlusPlus because it wasn't a place where spending the extra would do much good, and it was easier to rig the tin one. I have a plastic one on the Canoe, but only because I was given half an old megabyte mast (thank you Datchet Chandlery!)
When costing a production boat I suspect its very easy to say, well we've got to have proper this that and the other, and before you know it you've put a grand on the price. A really smart development engineer can shave a few things here a few things there and save a few hundred quid *without making the boat any different to sail*. As for forumla one and rules, just get a load of this lot... from http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8697/fia.html
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Menace
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 10:23pm |
Reckon the FX will be as quick, if not quicker than a tin rig 49er. If the 900 is almost as heavy, but shorter, the FX will win the speed contest, most likely the sailing contest. The Aura will have the innovation vote, but if it sails like a 14, which I reckon it may, the winged boats will shine through as nicer to manouvere and sail in general. As for the carbon with everything debate, chosing carbon for everything just highlights bad engineering and inefficient use of materials. You can get glass epoxy very close to carbon weight wise for much less cost. Why use carbon unless you really, really need it for stiffness? Oh yeah, to pump up the price of the boat and make it less accessible..
(+1 Jim, posted at the same time as you) Edited by Menace - 05 Mar 12 at 10:26pm |
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Daniel Holman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 10:34pm |
Carbon skinning is offensive .
And yep using it when not the stuff for the job, or in applications where not engineered to make use of it's its material properties is also bullsh*t. Thing is, a boom is a spar in bending, which should be the easiest thing in the world to do well. Cost delta on tube is app £100 I.e sub 1% of boat cost. Appaling penny pinching which will add through life cost in an application that should be fit for 200 days use a year. You can get some of that ton back if you are intelligent in how you terminate ropes etc. Another example of going the wrong side of the cost capability comprimise. Boats that look like they've ramraided halfords are wrong. |
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Sosoomii
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 12 at 11:03pm |
Says the man who designed the V Twin...
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