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Stuart O
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Topic: Casualty management Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 6:48pm |
Whilst there is no argument that the accident is horrific it is rare, thankfully. This thread very much reminds me of the discussions soon after the drowning when lots of people went about shouting that knives should be carried by everyone on a boat...appears that shout has quietened now. However it doesnt stop us from reviewing emergency procedures . Lets review then....and I think zippyRN that nothing will change as a result of that. Sailing has its injuries and thankfully injuries such as spinal injuries are rare. If you want details of injuries I believe that all serious injuries have to be reported to the RYA by the club or class so they have an accurate record.
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ASok
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 1:22pm |
ZippyRN - you seem to have a clear agenda here and I can't understand why. You've not presented any evidence that would suggest that this is a serious issue that we should be concerned by. Tragic accidents will occur in every sport. Risk needs to be assessed and provisions made to manage them. I just don't believe that the issues are as large as you make them out to be.One accident or a handful of accidents does not form the basis for investing in the prevention methods you have raised.
Perhaps you need to write to the RYA and request a grant for funding a study?
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themeaningoflife
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 1:24pm |
Good to hear a positive update about Tess, let's hope she will make it to the Worlds in August as planned!
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kevg
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 5:56pm |
Great news. I hope we have an accident investigation report in due course so we can then learn from this incident.
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zippyRN
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 7:43pm |
Do I have a clear agenda ? perhaps you'd like to inform what my clear agenda is ? we've seen responses that 'it'll never happen' despite the Incident Tess Lloyd was involved in and the fact that there are others ( admittedly a relatively small number) who have sustained significant head / neck or back injuries through sailing it's interesting that the attitude of " it'll never happen " and " rescue crews are only volunteers , so it doesn't matter whether they are adequately trained or not as after all they've 'done their best' " the second one is what has made me 'upset' for want of better term - this attitude is 20 to 30 years behind the curve , it seems as though all the prosecutions and legal action involving volunteers providing a service has passed the sailing community by e.g. the Issues surrounding the 'Tideway Incident' where St John ambulance were prosecuted under Health and Safety law despite the boats being operated by volunteers, in a volunteer lead unit in a volunteer lead area and providing services on a voluntary basis ... the various issues surrounding failure to deliver effective resuscitation provision at events e.g. Bath Half Marathon which was SJA again ( settled out of court ) and a similar occurence involving the Red Cross at the Great North Run the issues i've raised for discussion still fall short of the minimum requirements for other sports - and not just motorsport - though with the speeds achieved by modern skiff type dinghies the enrgy exchange is approaching motorsport or equestrian levels with collisions or 'ejections' from craft the level of lack of understanding shown by people claiming to be 'expert' on the subject is also worrying - exactly how would some of you defend yourselves in court ( be it civil, criminal or Coroner's ) when there is an adverse incident , and this incident known to be serious / life threatening but has been ignored becasue we're only amateurs ... is this going to take a death and prosecution ? rather than people starting discussion in the light of Tess' incident - |
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Contender443
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 9:52am |
Zippy all sailing clubs in the UK take their lead from the RYA and what you are saying is not their advice.
You mention running events but you quote a very large probably professionally run event. There are loads of running events held every weekend where they donot have this level of support. Then what about all the amatuer football and rugby clubs holding events on public playing fields with no facilities. Everyone of thos relies on the emergency services. That is what we do in sailing with the only difference in that we need to get the casualty to them in the first instance.
People like you who hide behind the threat of lawyers will kill sport.
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ASok
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 10:17am |
ZippyRN - you seem to be very aware of spinal injuries cause and treatment. However, I've joined this discussion because I've got a thing about reference weilding. Those references you threw up earlier advocating the use of spinal boards and rescue provision just don't stack up. However, I recognise that they were a 'quick and dirty' search (to use your words). Your agenda seems to be avocating the implementation of this additional level of safety provision when evidence doesn't suggest that its required.
However, that said I am not an expert. I have to take my lead from the governing body. Just like I do when I play 5-a-side football in the week and when I used to play rugby.
Without a hint of sarcasm - I genuinely believe that experts should be approaching the RYA with this if they believe that there is an issue. That way they can investigate, risk assess and provide guidance.
Club committees need to take a lead from somewhere. You cannot expect a group of amateur enthusiasts to start advocating this level of provision unless it really is required. Poorly applied safety procedures are worse than lower levels of safety procedures.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 10:56am |
Please do not feed the troll......
And remember pretty much evey SC has a clause which states that you sail at your own risk and the club cannot be held liable for death, loss or injury (this is why we have insurance when we sail with large amounts of 3rd party liability).
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ASok
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 12:08pm |
Fair point
Where's JimC's cartoon on 'cant come to bed, someone on the internet is wrong'
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r2d2
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 12:10pm |
+1
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