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Thank you for your definitive answer Mr. Measurer.
 
What I have ended up doing is using the velcro strap pulled through the Harken hook(not sleeve).
The advantage being no fiddly doing & undoing of the velcro, and less velcro wear.
Disadvantage it puts about 1/2 an inch between the boom & sail.
 
Would this be legal under the wording
"webbing strap with or without  fastening device"
 
Also, is a turning block tied to the outhaul saddle at the end of the boom permitted?
 
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Originally posted by deadrock

Originally posted by laser193713

I think you are confused.  You do not use the harken ring and the clew strap together. Its an either,or, thing. If you use the harken metal strap it has the block and hook attached to it. If you use the strap you still have to have the block and the outhaul primary line seperate.  If you use the strap you use a hook style block, the best one is the old holt one, at least i think so, i dont really trust the bent harken hook.

193713 is entirely right when he says: "It's an either/or thing." The ILCA Rule 3(g)(i)) states:
"The clew of the sail shall be attached to the boom by either a tie line or a webbing strap with or without  fastening device wrapped around the boom and through the sail cringle, a quick release system attached to a tie line or soft strap wrapped around the boom, or a "Builder Supplied" stainless steel boom slide with quick release system. An additional outhaul extension tie line may be added between the clew of the sail and the outhaul or the quick release system."

In other words, you are allowed one system and one system only. You are not allowed a redundant back-up. The final sentence is to allow a Radial sailor to use the same outhaul system with a 4.7 sail without re-jigging the entire system.

In 35 years of Laser sailing the velcro strap has been one of the most effective innovations allowed on the boat, and certainly the most cost-effective. Keep the fluff of the hooky side of the velcro and it'll last longer.

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One of the most stupid rules in the laser is the redundancy rule.  I once had a wobbly boom end mainsheet block so tied a line through the outhaul eye round the block and back over the boom in a sort of figure of eight.  It was slack so was not giving me any advantage.  The measurer came round and told me I had to take it off despite a long sail to and from the sailing area.  If this had broken and I had to retire then either one of the very few safety boats would have had to tow me in or it would have been a really long slog in a fair amount of breeze! Surely some consideration for the safety of the sailor should be included!? Apparently not.  It is things like this that made me leave lasers in the end.
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Part of the argument with the Laser is that you buy in to the one design and the limitations and restrictions of the rules as is.

If you are going to do championship level sailing then your boat needs to comply. 

The counter argument would be why did you not spend 5 minutes with a drill and a rivet gun and sort out the wobbly boom block? If you didn't have the stuff there is usually a chandler close by or another competitor who is willing to help out for a beer or 2.

Whenever I have a large event coming up (at club level) I always give the boat a once over the week before so I can pick out any potential issues prior to getting myself stuck.

I will add that i am slightly hypocritical in that I am an advocate of replica sails for club sailing purely on the grounds that the genuine article is:

1) Not currently available for purchase until mid-june
2) Seriously expensive for what it is
3) Does not last for any appreciable period of time

Once they sort out the longevity and availability issues I will be moving back to a genuine article for all my Laser sailing.
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Originally posted by jeffers


If you are going to do championship level sailing then your boat needs to comply. 

The counter argument would be why did you not spend 5 minutes with a drill and a rivet gun and sort out the wobbly boom block? If you didn't have the stuff there is usually a chandler close by or another competitor who is willing to help out for a beer or 2.

Whenever I have a large event coming up (at club level) I always give the boat a once over the week before so I can pick out any potential issues prior to getting myself stuck.


Well it was a world championships at a venue with no chandlery other than the locked Laser Performance van. My boat did comply completely until 5 minutes before launching when I noticed the wobbly block while threading my mainsheet. So grabbed a bit of string out of my BA pocket and while tying it on the measurer came over and told me off for it. 

Trust me, if I had the time to do the work I would.  Its all very good being told to fix it properly now, a good 5 years after the event. Of course I know that now too! To be fair as soon as I got home I retired the boom to be used for club racing and put the string back on and never replaced the rivets, they never failed! 

All I am saying is there are a few rules like this in lasers which when put together make you wonder why you bother. Obviously the racing is second to none but when other things, such as life, gets in the way of training you fall out of the top of the fleet and even the racing becomes a bit tedious. Nobody likes moving down a fleet do they!? Anyway, that is why I bought the 100, because life has got in the way, at least with that I can rock up to an event and hopefully get a decent result, and if not be sailing an enjoyable boat. As it stands, life has been so in the way that I haven't had a chance to even sail the boat this year although hopefully in the next few weeks that will all be different!
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Hi, this is a bit different to the thread I set up but I was just wandering if anyone knew of any cheap laser radial rigs for sail secondhand. Any part of it will do, but would like to have a completed rig (sail and lower mast) for around £150-200. 
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I will have a look in the garage and PM you, think I may still have some bits lying around but not sure what! Are you looking for upper masts and booms too?
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Thanks, erm I am just looking for the sail and lower mast. 
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No luck I am afraid.  Didn't check up in the roof of the garage but all i could find down the bottom was a standard sail and bottom section.  There are lots of other bits around in the garage too so if you ever need anything on the cheap then give me a shout. Sorry I didnt PM you but didnt seem much point having not found anything!
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thanks anyway 
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