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Bustinben - question for you. How can a mast be illegal if you have it measured on day one of the championship, it is supplied by the organisers and you can only measure one mast per championship?
 
Then you have 20 knot winds and bend the mast. Not your problem surely. There is nothing you can do about it during the championship. If the race committee, measurers or any competitor starts protesting you then this will not be a very popular move. I guess many sailors would quickly leave the class regardless of it being an Olympic boat.
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Its a lovely illustration of how one change feeds another... The Laser rig seemed pretty much fine with the original gear. Uprate the controls so they are more powerful and easier to adjust and...
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Originally posted by JimC

Its a lovely illustration of how one change feeds another... The Laser rig seemed pretty much fine with the original gear. Uprate the controls so they are more powerful and easier to adjust and...


No it wasn't; in the 70s laser spars were snapping all over the place; they are much more robust now mainly because the tubes are sleeved ...

The XD controls just make things easier; people were still using block to block kicker tensions 30 years ago ...
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Originally posted by JimC

Its a lovely illustration of how one change feeds another... The Laser rig seemed pretty much fine with the original gear. Uprate the controls so they are more powerful and easier to adjust and...
No it wasn't; in the 70s laser spars were snapping all over the place; they are much more robust now mainly because the tubes are sleeved ... The XD controls just make things easier; people were still using block to block kicker tensions 30 years ago ...



My experience is that the xd kicker makes it possible to put much more than block to block on upwind. However, I found that the goose neck used to break a lot more often, not the spars.

I haven't sailed a laser for a few years now, but from my experience when I did and what I see now I don't think spars are breaking any more often than they used to (unless you ram them into the bar coming into Chichester harbour with winds against tide.....)

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I've broken three top sections and one boom in the past, everytime it's a c*nt a situation as it inevitably means you've f**ked your luff section, which unlike the top section, you won't get Noble to give you a nice shiny new one, it'll be patched and that's another rag fubared...

... this of course was back in the 1990's when I used a 386 PC, made mixtapes from recordings off the radio and drank cider as alcopops hadn't been invented. So I guess this known issue has been resolved now.
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Originally posted by seamonkey


No it wasn't; in the 70s laser spars were snapping all over the place; they are much more robust now mainly because the tubes are sleeved ...

The XD controls just make things easier; people were still using block to block kicker tensions 30 years ago ...
 
I think you will find only the boom is sleeved. The top and bottom sections for all rigs are just straight tubes with no edditional reinforcement.
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strange thing for me was that I never broke a top section, only bent them, but I did break two bottom sections at deck level where the tube wore against the gelcoat. I'm pretty sure I managed to get the boom as tight with my crappy rope version with a swivel at the bottom as you can with an xd version, its just that it cost me about 150 less.
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Originally posted by Contender443

Bustinben - question for you. How can a mast be illegal if you have it measured on day one of the championship, it is supplied by the organisers and you can only measure one mast per championship?
 
Then you have 20 knot winds and bend the mast. Not your problem surely. There is nothing you can do about it during the championship. If the race committee, measurers or any competitor starts protesting you then this will not be a very popular move. I guess many sailors would quickly leave the class regardless of it being an Olympic boat.

...Because the class rules say: "Straight mast".  You should be able to change to another one if it bends by going to see the measurer.  I'm not sure what the situation would be if they were checking straightness on measuring in, but then refused to let you change a bent one...

If they did start enforcing it properly, then yes, it would be a ridiculous. But more ridiculous than having to ignore the class rules because the kit simply isn't up to the job?  I'm not sure.

What we have at the moment is the real situation where you have to buy a new bottom section (and a top, if you're unable to fully straighten it, which drastically reduces its life as well) for every regatta where you  know they're going to be measuring properly.
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also note that not all measured regattas have supplied boats... radial men, for example. Or masters events.
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Sorry Ben you have just made the Laser look even more ridiculous, shame really as I can see the concept of simple boats and class racing. However if the equipment is not up to the forces put on it such that it makes the equipment out of class that is either good salesmanship or fraud.
 
Guess why I and most other sailors do not sail Lasers.
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