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Originally posted by rogue

with no results published after you complete it to see if you can log in again and re-vote,


Naughty rogue ... monkies are not stupid you can only do one entry per computer ...

This survey is about perceptions of which classes are hard to win in ... why is that pointless?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Steve411

Another option might be to build your own new type of boat to make sure there is no-one to race against... Wink


LOL LOL but at least you can race with all your mates Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:19pm
I suspect Mr Tickle has been getting his mates to stuff the ballot box of the Lighning 368 & Supernova ... some responses look very bogus ...

For what it is worth here are the findings based on 29 responses. Pretty much what I'd expect ...


Rank Class Score
1 Laser 8.95
2 Solo 8.63
3 Laser Radial 8.4
4 505 8.35
5 International Moth 8.28
6 Dragon 8.27
7 International 14 8.21
8 Optimist 8.15
9 RS200 8.12
10 Musto Skiff 8.11
11 Merlin Rocket 8.05
12 49er 8.05
13 XOD 8
14 Phantom 8
15 Fireball 8
16 OK 8
17 Laser SB3 8
18 Tornado 7.91
19 RS800 7.75
20 National 12 7.74
21 420 7.69
22 RS400 7.6
23 A Class Catamaran 7.56
24 Flying Fifteen 7.53
25 29er 7.53
26 Scorpion 7.44
27 18ft Skiff 7.44
28 Topper 7.43
29 Melges 24 7.4
30 Enterprise 7.39
31 International Canoe 7.38
32 Finn 7.37
33 Contender 7.33
34 Cadet 7.33
35 GP14 7.27
36 Mirror 7.19
37 IRC 7
38 2.4m 7
39 Squib 6.9
40 B14 6.86
41 Etchells 6.8
42 RS300 6.76
43 Spitfire 6.75
44 J80 6.73
45 Dart 18 6.71
46 Norfolk Punt 6.7
47 Lark 6.69
48 Formula 18 6.64
49 Firefly 6.61
50 J105 6.57
51 RS Feva 6.55
52 Laser 4.7 6.54
53 Sigma 38 6.5
54 J109 6.33
55 Quarter Tonner 6.25
56 J/24 6.22
57 Wayfarer 6.17
58 Sigma 33 6.13
59 RC Laser 6.11
60 Scow 6
61 Redwing 6
62 Laser 2000 5.94
63 RS100 5.93
64 Albacore 5.93
65 K1 5.9
66 International Six Metre 5.88
67 One Metre 5.86
68 Hurricane 5.9 SX 5.78
69 Marblehead 5.78
70 Illusion 5.75
71 Osprey 5.71
72 Shearwater 5.71
73 MOCRA 5.67
74 RS600 5.64
75 Streaker 5.63
76 Sonar 5.6
77 Blaze 5.59
78 Shadow 5.57
79 J/92 and J/92s 5.57
80 Sonata 5.5
81 Unicorn 5.5
82 RS Tera 5.42
83 RS700 5.4
84 Thames A Rater 5.38
85 Flying Dutchman 5.36
86 Impala 28 5.33
87 Miracle 5.29
88 RS500 5.21
89 Cherub 5.14
90 Seascape 18 5.14
91 Salcombe Yawl 5.1
92 K6 5.08
93 British Moth 5.07
94 Sharpie 5
95 Vortex 5
96 Snipe 5
97 Sunbeam 5
98 Javelin 5
99 Swallow 4.9
100 Folkboat 4.88
101 Access 4.88
102 Challenger 4.86
103 Hornet 4.85
104 Tasar 4.82
105 RS Elite 4.77
106 National 18 4.75
107 Sprint 15 Sport 4.75
108 707 4.75
109 RS Vareo 4.67
110 Laser 4000 4.65
111 Catapult 4.6
112 Dart 16 4.57
113 Europe 4.56
114 Solution 4.54
115 Topper 4.2 4.5
116 Hunter Formula One 4.5
117 Tideway 4.5
118 Lightning 368 4.47
119 Graduate 4.46
120 Tempest 4.44
121 SigneT 4.38
122 Supernova 4.35
123 Sprint 15 4.33
124 Ajax 4.33
125 Yachting World Dayboat 4.29
126 Laser 5000 4.18
127 Kestrel 4.14
128 Sandhopper 4
129 Devon Yawl 4
130 Comet Trio 3.92
131 Loch Long One Design 3.71
132 Wanderer 3.64
133 Comet 3.62
134 Laser Vago 3.54
135 3000 3.47
136 Heron 3.36
137 ISO 3.31
138 Laser Stratos 3.07
139 Buzz 3.06
140 Leader 2.92
141 Splash 2.83
142 Laser EPS 2.18


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How does the expression go? Junk in, junk out?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by Rupert

How does the expression go? Junk in, junk out?


yeah but even with a few people voting for their favorites the masses generally overide the self interest...

I figure the above is resonable.
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142 boats and 29 reponses - you've not even begun weeding out self interest or getting a representative sample, especially given the forum demographics.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote r2d2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 9:30pm
yes, come on there must stilll be resilts coming in (and some classes probably have no votes at all yet?) -  give it some more time
 
also, you really need to divide the results for each class by the number of sailors from each class so that you overcome the effect of for example more laser sailors voting than, say, K1 sailors voting


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Post Options Post Options   Quote tickel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 9:01am
I cant be bothered with all this. I have sailed in a few and spectated at many. In my opinion all fleets divide the same, a few at the top capable of winning, the bulk in the middle and a few at the back only there for the fun. Most National Champions are very good at it and there are a few 'rockstars' who have a unique, unquantifiable talent. Tricky to sail boats require skill and athleticism whereas more stable craft allow concentration on tactics rather than survival. They are all hard but in different ways.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 9:50am
Originally posted by r2d2

yes, come on there must stilll be resilts coming in (and some classes probably have no votes at all yet?) -  give it some more time
 


62 people have now voted ... quite interesting to see how people behave.

Most have completed the question sensibly and scored over half the classes.

Some have just gone in and voted a 10 for a single class and left all other classes blank.

The offenders of this blatant ramping were:

Phantom x3
Albacore
Dart 18
K1

What is more surprising is the haters who deliberatly score down a class that is clearly competitive.

e.g.

Merlin Rocket4.3% (2)0.0% (0)0.0% (0)0.0% (0)4.3% (2)0.0% (0)6.5% (3)19.6% (9)32.6% (15)32.6% (15)8.4846

How can 2 people think that the Merlin Nationals is a easy win? Clearly Merlin haters ... but with 46 people commenting I think we can see the consensus ... it's a tough nationals to win.






Edited by seamonkey - 07 Oct 11 at 9:51am
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Originally posted by seamonkey


Originally posted by rogue

with no results published after you complete it to see if you can log in again and re-vote,
Naughty rogue ... monkies are not stupid you can only do one entry per computer ... This survey is about perceptions of which classes are hard to win in ... why is that pointless?


But it's an internet survey, what's the point if you can't manipulate the results when they are not to your liking?

btw- seamonkies are not stupid, they just haven't heard of dynamically assigned IP addresses by rebooting your router* down there in deepest, darkest Kent.

* sorry, redialing your 56k modem
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