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Jack Sparrow
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Topic: Rambler capsized during Fastnet Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 10:56am |
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Just around the corner from Falmouth after going between the inner and outer stones of Gull Rock off Nare head. The local view ( fisherman / Portscatho Harbour master of the time ) was that Drum hit the reef between the stones. Although I don't think you will see that on any insurance report. |
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G.R.F.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 11:22am | |||
What a lovely boat, I love that genoa, what a shame, so what happened?
The big lead bit on the bottom fell off then? What are those two lookey likey daggerboard things on the deck in front of the mast then, do they shove them up and down like dinghies? It looks like a very fast planing hull shape. Fabulous looking boat. |
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alstorer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 11:48am | |||
Yes, boats with canting keels require daggerboards, as they sail upwind with the keel foil canted to windward so need an additional foil to provide lift. They use outward angled boards either side to add efficiency- as they still don't get quite flat, the angle allows the foil to be vertical.
the canting mechanism though is a point of weakness- rather than having the keel fin and bulb securely bolted to the structure of the hull, you've got a pivot and hydraulic rams, as well as watertight seals. Complexity means weakness sadly. A couple of Open 60s as well as 1(?) Volvo Ocean Racer have had theirs fall off.
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Steve411
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 12:17pm | |||
I saw it happen from the shore. It was about half way between Portscatho and Falmouth about a mile offshore. It was nowhere near any rocks at the time, but that's not to say there couldn't have been any damage from any previous grounding.
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asterix
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 12:44pm | |||
out of interest, roughly how long did it take to turtle?
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ASok
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 12:59pm | |||
Sounded quick. Really good update here - http://fastnet.rorc.org/news-2011/race-updates-2011/rambler-100-update.html
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 2:15pm | |||
3 degrees of separation, isn't that what they call it. A friend of mine's brother I used to sail N12's with was crewing Drum at the time as well. As for Rambler, a very nice boat ( not so nice now ). I'm glad the 5 that were separated from the boat for 3 hours were all picked up. That must have been a pretty scary experience. |
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Contender 541
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 3:38pm | |||
Jack - 6 degrees
It does surprise me - on the odd occasion I get separated on a pond - just how quickly the boat goes beyond your ability to get back to it. They do seem to drift so much faster than you can swim
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Hughph
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 11 at 11:42pm | |||
With all fairness to canting keels it was not any of the canting mechanism that failed, it was in fact the keel itself before the bulb. Rambler was using a fabricated keel strut going down to the bulb which was hollow. Most yachts such as the VO70's have to use a solid milled strut for safety reasons but I got the impression that Rambler wanted to save wieght.
A canting keel is probably under higher loads when sailing which is probably why it snapped. (Note all the probablys, just guessed that bit). Info found from SA Pics attached to to show the hollow keel strut where it snapped and a diagram Edited by Hughph - 16 Aug 11 at 11:44pm |
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Contender 541
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 11 at 1:39pm | |||
Does anyone know if she has been salvaged, or is she a total loss?
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