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Poll Question: How many is too many?
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Originally posted by Contender 541

We operate a Silver finish for anyone more that 10 minutes behind the lead boat so the turn around can be pretty swift if needed.
Sounds interesting, esp. for longer races. How does that work?
 
One thing in favour of back-to-back: it does save time and faffing coming ashore, dropping then later re-hoisting sails - the more I sail the more of a hassle that feels. So for a regatta/open, where people will inevitably be socialising before/after racing and not diving straight off home afterwards, I prefer back-to-back.
 
For single day/club racing, where lunch is the main point of social contact and many people disappear immediately after racing, I prefer to come ashore at one point between races.
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It is a sport after all so some level of physical stamina needs to be tested......I personally would like one race and then a rest/fag/leak/beer break, unfortunately though I'm an old fart with bad habbits and in the persuance of my sport should be penalised accordingly.........So some could argue that it shouldn't be too physically easy/comfortable.
 
 
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Okay - I have just pressed the reply button (opposed to the quote button) to see what happens.  Reply to Medway Maniac
 
Silver Finish - this is based on my experience of sailing it (not actually organising it)
  1. Fleet starts
  2. Fleet does a lap - at our nationals this was STS with each line crossing being a lap (do STS you have done 3 laps) and each lap was between 25 and 35 mins dependant on wind
  3. Lead boat crosses the line to start a lap 2 - start the stop watch
  4. After an agreed time (I think it was 10 mins) finish all remaining boats in order (Use a rib with a flag - V in our case - to tell boats that they are being finished
  5. Remaining fleet does lap 2
  6. Lead boat crosses the line to start lap 3 - Start the stop watch
  7. You get the idea

Those that were finished on lap 1 are listed in order from last to finish to first to be finished from the bottom of the results sheet

Those that are finished on Lap 2 are listed in the same order begining one place ahead of the first boat to be finished on lap 1
 
Assuming a 3 lap race (30 mins per lap, 1.5 hour race) everyone else is finished at the end of the next lap in the usual style
 
 
Advantage - if you are doing a long distance race (our 'race of the year' is now a moderate 2.5 hours - I am told it used to be 4!!) the silver finish can be a mercy killing - I know we were glad to get an early finish in the one race
 
Disadvantage - if you are a much faster boat and you end up dropping it in or have a blonde moment (We had to go back for the wing mark when we had gybed early thinking we were doing a windward leward course) then you are too far behind to catch up the 10 minutes before you are binned.  We did not have an opportunity to regain 6 or 7 places that we would have got by the end of next lap..........Honest Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 10 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by blueboy

Maybe inland that's more of an issue.


QM will probably take a dim view of such activities.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Re. Silver Finish:
 
Sounds a bit harsh to stop people after one lap. After all, as you say, a fast boat which capsized or had some other misfortune wouldn't have much chance to recover. Also, it must then be a long wait with sails flapping/wearing out before the re-start. I'd have thought it sufficient to start the procedure at the beginning of the last lap.
 
Good idea in principle though.


Edited by Medway Maniac - 09 Sep 10 at 2:36pm
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Originally posted by Contender 541


Those that were finished on lap 1 are listed in order from last to finish to first to be finished from the bottom of the results sheet

Those that are finished on Lap 2 are listed in the same order begining one place ahead of the first boat to be finished on lap 1

Ye gods, that's a bit brutal! I can see the advantages in that it means that you can have a long lap and still a quick finish, but the tailenders, who arguably need the practise most, might not get an awful lot of actual racing in their weeks sailing. If the winner gets a 90 minute race the bottom of the fleet might get as little as 40 minutes.

Personally I'd prefer shorter laps and a Grand Prix finish, maybe even reserving the right to put S up for stragglers before the leader finishes.
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Originally posted by JimC

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Personally I'd prefer shorter laps and a Grand Prix finish, maybe even reserving the right to put S up for stragglers before the leader finishes.


We had that this year, worked very well. Not sure there was much hanging about at all and this was with boats ranging from 1970's vintage to 05 rules... so a handicap range of about 200+ points!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender 541 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 10 at 3:47pm
Like I said - my experience of sailing it, not organising it.
 
It could well be that the silver finish starts on lap 2 (actually makes more sense that way)
We got binned twice - once was a mercy killing (2.5 hr race and we were spent) the other was thanks to a blond moment on lap 2 (missed the wing mark on the triangle)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 10 at 4:19pm
I am with COntender451.  The Silver fleet finishes were agod send to us back of the fleeters.  It meant the rest of the fleet didn't have to wait for another 40mins while we dribbled round!!  It kept everything clean and quick.  Although the races were long enough!  The gate starts were awesome, as it meant you had none of that black flag crap! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote asterix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 10 at 4:37pm
the poll result does mean 4 B2B is too many right?
 
what do you 100ers think about whether the 100 should be added into the RS Sprints type event?
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