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Tornado_ALIVE
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Topic: Buying a hobie tiger..maybe Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 10:41am |
Sounds like the F-18 is a good bet as is the Hurricane. Local fleet is more important when learning. So if the Hurricane is strong local...... get one. But before you do, go for a test sail and make sure they are within your capabilities. They are both quiet powerful boats. If you have sailed Fireballs on a regular basis you should be able to adapt quiet well. |
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gozzza
Newbie Joined: 03 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 05 at 6:22pm |
We currently sail Dart 18s and are looking for more modern alternatives. Topcat (German catamaran buliders) are big in Europe and are trying to break into the UK. The K1 is apparently comparable to a Hurricane 5.9 although I haven't tried a K1 yet. We're hosting a couple of demonstration weekends at Chapman Sands Sailing Club, at Canvey Island in Essex in June (11/12 & 25/26). See website at www.cs-sc.org.uk for details. Demos are open to everyone. Good chance to have a go and see what you think.
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hurricane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 05 at 8:11pm |
why buy one of them when there is awsome fleet racing in the 5.9 class btw just back from a 50 boat nationals whooooo!!! |
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lifes to short to sail slow boats!
RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
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gozzza
Newbie Joined: 03 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 05 at 8:47pm |
Every class starts somewhere.....
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mickymouse
Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 05 at 9:20pm |
Hi, the Topcat was designed at the same time as the Dart. But the Topcat changed it`s design a bit and updatet it`s range of cats. From the old F1/F2/Spitfire to a much more modern shape/design. But still kepts all it`s nice curve and slimplisserty. For some time know they are called K1/K2/K3/4.5 and the Chico for kids.I sailed and raced a Dart 18 for over 20 years in England and Germany. 10 years ago, I was always looking and comparing my Dart 18 with the Topcat. Every weekend. The set up is much the same as the Dart, no boards or gagets. Just jump on it and go sailing, the rest is up to you. But I found myself sailing Topcat more and more. It`s more powerful, it feels bigger, it`s twin trapez, the jib clets are out of the way and the rudder system is far the better. And it`s not so easy to stick the leward hole under, you can just keep the power on. Also the construction looks and feels more stronger (NO it is stronger!). You said it in the C.S.S.C. newsletter. BMW of catamaran is coming to the UK, I hope so. So for me it was bye bye to Dart But HELLO Topcat, the best boat one , I now sail the Topcat K2 in my freetime at my local club and race with my friends Topcat K1 all over the place. Pound for pound I got the best deal. I`ve seen CSSC website, I like the newsletter and the info Topcat demo, poss. there will be a report of the demo in C.S.S.C. website? Micky Mouse
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calistow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 05 at 9:04pm |
i have a Dart to, but wouldn`t cry over it.What is Topcat? I thought it was a tin of cat food or a cartoon character .
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mickymouse
Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 05 at 9:44pm |
hi calistow cartoon character TC, OK, But a tin cat food for you.But ok I used to think a Dart was something you through at a board and a Hurricane was just a lot of wind,Talking of Hurricane, (Gozzza) Looking at the H/C the Hurricane is faster than the Topcat`` But´´at Texel it wasn't so,even after a capsize at the start line (2 mins before start )and another a little later.But it was a hang on to your goolys day,and we had 180 kg onboard and one Hull half full of water,so we sailed over the Hurricanes,but on a nice day who know's maybe someone out there can answer that? Calistow have a look at the website by Gozzza might help you somewhat (WHAT IS A TOPCAT ) |
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horatio
Newbie Joined: 19 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 05 at 10:16pm |
so how comes we haven't seen anything about topcats in any magazines? if they are that good someone would have done a review already.... i've never seen one for sale or even heard of them before. where do you buy them? is there any topcat fleets in the uk? i would go for a spitfire. |
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hurricane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 05 at 6:41pm |
well said!!!!
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lifes to short to sail slow boats!
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mickymouse
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 May 05 at 10:03pm |
Hi hovatio/hurricane, fair question, Topcat has just started to introduce itself to the UK. They had a stand at the Dinghy show this year and I understand that lots of ? and interest just like yours were ask. So much so, that they decided to make test sails and demos around the UK. Starting in the S/E. Also they have made contact to the sailing mags. I know that one will be making a test sail in June, then you should see something of Topcat in the magazines. I know that Topcat have sold over 17.000 boats world wide and turned over 650 cats last year. But I don´t think so in the UK (YET) . So hang on to your panties, it comes to the UK. Let them get a foot in the door and I`m sure that all questions will be answered. Something to be getting on with: www.topcat.de or look at www.cs-sc.org.uk I`m sure you will be more then welcome there for a test sail, even if you`ve got a Spitfire/Hurricane or no boat at all. By the way, Topcat is not so slow, schrs rating K1 1.05, Spitfire 1,04, Hurricane 1,01 x 684 = ..... The basic price of a K1is 6.500 pounds, all incl. Regatta is 8.000 pound, K2 6.500 pound, all incl. is 7.000 pound, K3 single handed or two up with jib 5.500 pound that`s what I read in there website. I know that there will be a big promotion discount at the demos , I also know the design of Topcat Klaus Elsmann. Klaus was a top Tornado man and the designer of A class winged catamaran and knows all about hightec, high performance, lights construction, gagets, boards etc. So, they looked for the ultimate alternatice. Something quick to rig from a complete breakdown on a trailer, with no center or dagger boards, no tools to rig up, no gagets, strong, safe and at the right price for the family and regatta man. And for sure not boring. You have the speed and excitment without a risk. That is what Topcat are about, simplicity it sales itself. Have a look next time in a travel agency (Magic Life/Tui etc.) They can`t be wrong and as for Topcat centers world wide, there's is to many to mention here. You can email the boys who are promoting Topcat in the UK.I can only talk about sailing the boat,.Mike-Southeast@hotmail.co.uk or mike.harrison@topcat.de yours mickymouse PS Have i left myself wide open ??? or or
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