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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 5:46pm

Im going to pitch in a Vago

 

Hear me out.
Pretty simple boat and actually quite fun

Good to learn trapezing in and I know I have taught people to trapeze in one and they pick it up pretty quick.

Its got 2 rigs, the S can be used in the really brexy stuff or the XD for some power.

On a performance scale probably does not match a V3000 or the 29er, (by probablyI mean definatley) but in a F5-6 its one hell of a laugh!
And the bow is quite buoyant so no going down the mine (unless you really try)

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 1:21pm

The reason i sail an 3k not a 29er is because I don't want to spend most of my sailing time thinking about keeping the boat upright. 29ers are tippy. I also don't want to sail a youth boat! The 3k class is much more relaxed, if much smaller.

In your position, Nick, I'd try the 29er in a reasonable wind before jumping in buying. You can also try a 3k; if you're not Olympic hopefuls, you might decide to stay with it anyway.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neal_g Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 1:08pm

my mate went from toppers to 29er when they were 14 goingon 15 by the time they were 15 and a half they were too heavy for the 29er.

get a 29er sail it in the breeze your happy with, if it is too windy then shore drills wire to wire tacking etc, as tom says more time in the boat the better and as you go out more you'll learn technique is a lot better than weight

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by tomoore1

TBH mate, if you want a 9er get one. But make
sure your crew knows you will get wet while you learn. Whats the point in
buying a L3000/ 405 (or anything else) if after a year you are going to
sell it. Buy the 9er and get used to the boat. Although you might not
realise it in the first year, a few years down the line the extra time in the
boat will really help you. When its really windy all but the top guys p1ss it
in (I'v been rescue boat for the nats). There are a few other 14/15 year
olds on the circuit so its not too early.


This is only going to work if you accept you both have a lot of learning
to do and that it will take time and practise.


No offense Tony, I would promote my class in exactly the same way
you are, its just my PERSONAL opinion.




Thing is whist you are getting wet you are not learning anything, apart
from good capsize recovery. When you know you are going to capsize all
the time it dampens ( pun intended ) the whole desire to go out and
seriously limits the amount of wind you are prepared to sail in. Reducing
the amount of time sailing, learning and skills building opportunities .
And most importantly constant capsizing destroys confidence and may
end in disagreements, and the brake down of the sailing relationship.

Get a L3000 or V3000, get things sorted and if you want to move over to
the 29er ( and that that brings, decide after the basics are all honed ).



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Post Options Post Options   Quote FireballNeil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 10 at 11:11pm
Originally posted by dontdocalm!

The 3000 - Laser or Vandercraft - will
be a far more enjoyable experience than the 405. But, if
you want a route into the RYA 29er squads (wash my
mouth out
), then the 405 circuit is, unfortunately,
still the way to go, assuming you are still young enough.
At 14, though, I think you've probably left it a bit
late.


Not anymore, I know people from 405 squads that have
struggled to get into the 29er squads, because the 405 is
no longer rya recognised
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tomoore1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 10 at 10:30pm

TBH mate, if you want a 9er get one. But make sure your crew knows you will get wet while you learn. Whats the point in buying a L3000/ 405 (or anything else) if after a year you are going to sell it. Buy the 9er and get used to the boat. Although you might not realise it in the first year, a few years down the line the extra time in the boat will really help you. When its really windy all but the top guys p1ss it in (I'v been rescue boat for the nats). There are a few other 14/15 year olds on the circuit so its not too early.

This is only going to work if you accept you both have a lot of learning to do and that it will take time and practise.

No offense Tony, I would promote my class in exactly the same way you are, its just my PERSONAL opinion.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mister Nick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 10 at 10:06pm
Originally posted by Merlinboy

Whats wrong witht he one someone has
offered you, how many 3000's do you need??


Nothing wrong with what he offered me at all, I was just
curious to know if anyone else had something for sale.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 10 at 8:21pm
Whats wrong witht he one someone has offered you, how many 3000's do you need??
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 10 at 8:21pm

I'll be at the show on Sunday, Nick, but frankly all the guys on the stand should be able to give you any info you need. Hope to see you anyway.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dontdocalm! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 10 at 8:04pm
The 3000 - Laser or Vandercraft - will be a far more enjoyable experience than the 405. But, if you want a route into the RYA 29er squads (wash my mouth out), then the 405 circuit is, unfortunately, still the way to go, assuming you are still young enough. At 14, though, I think you've probably left it a bit late.

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