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    Posted: 21 Feb 19 at 3:42pm
Somewhat late in the day but better late than never.  The Hobie 405 was designed as the RYA Intermediate Youth Training dinghy so probably not suitable for those who are adult and lardy.  It's more challenging than a Feva or Topaz, and the like but more manageable tham a 29-er.   The Laser / Vander Craft  3000 mentioned above is essentially designed for adults, not juniors.  Second hand examples are also considerably more expensive so not comparable IMO.   My son is 13 and an ex-Tera sailor and had no issues getting to grips with the 405.

Below is a new online resource for junior sailors interested in finding out about the HOBIE 405, a performance dinghy that was (and is) much ahead of its time in many respects. The Hobie 405 was designed from the ground up as the RYA intermediate youth training dinghy, not a leisure boat with go-faster add-ons. With great build quality, an asymmetric, single wire and PY of 1089 it  ticks a lot of teenage boxes and still offers a manageable and very affordable entry into real asymmetric sailing for younger sailors.  With competitive 2nd hand examples often around the 500.00 mark with combi, what's not to like?

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Originally posted by tristanovacondio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d2j-i6kymsI

Bit late now, I've had an RS500 for a season and a half. :P Thanks anyway!
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Rupert, I notice there are three 3000's racing on and off at Whitefriars. Ironically, one of our Travellers Series regulars sails at South Cerney next door! I believe he plans to get in touch - seems a shame they aren't all racing together.
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Originally posted by English Dave

Originally posted by zailor





Has anyone ever put an assymetric on a Fireball?

Yes - It really didn't suit it. I'm sure someone clever will find the photo and post it again

There was an L3000 being raced this weekend at Whitefriars by 2 young teenagers. They were having an absolutely fantastic time, and when they got it right, the boat really took off. I'd get one if I was in their position, too.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by zailor

Very good point above^However the Vago
also has a GNAV (as does the V3000 porobably
lol)


Yes it does and I think the L3000 can be converted. In
the interests of fairness, however, I should point out
that the Vago shares the 29er's high boom for easy(er)
crossing of the boat whereas the 3000's boom is
relatively low. I like the Vago and if I was without a
regular crew and wanted to sail S/H it would be on my
list. But it's not the right boat for a new crew who have
29er aspirations in the near future.

Has anyone ever put an assymetric on a Fireball?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 6:46pm
Very good point above^

However the Vago also has a GNAV  (as does the V3000 porobably lol)
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A 3000 is your best bet IMO. 405 is slower, more tippy and
more difficult to sell on. Of course that does mean that
they are cheaper to buy. But a 3000 is fast and
controllable. Not too expensive and still current enough to
sell when you want to get a 29er. Ignore the Vago. It's not
a bad boat but I don't think it will be the right choice
for you as the 29er's main features are it's light weight
and responsiveness, neither of which the Vago has.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 10 at 6:08pm

I'll let others comment on the Vago if they wish. But here is an interactive map of locations of active (in 2009!) 3k's.

http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=136067

Might be worth checking out if you're still choosing a club; maybe get in touch with the local sailor through the club and find out their plans this season.

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Originally posted by zailor

Im going to pitch in a Vago



Hear me out.Pretty simple boat and actually quite
funGood to learn trapezing in and I know I have taught
people to trapeze in one and they pick it up pretty
quick.Its got 2 rigs, the S can be used in the really
brexy stuff or the XD for some power.On a performance
scale probably does not match a V3000 or the 29er, (by
probablyI mean definatley) but in a F5-6 its one hell of
a laugh!And the bow is quite buoyant so no going down the
mine (unless you really try)




Hmmm, the only problem with the Laser Vago is that they
are more expensive than most Laser 3000's. Its going to
be a case of getting the money together any way we can.
As I have said, we are both 14 so we are going to find it
hard to raise anything more than 1.5k quickly :/ We want
to get the boat asap so we can organise what club its
going to stay at and sorting out anything that needs
sorting.

Just another one to discuss, add's to the
fun

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