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Pretty dependent on being at a club with a crane I'd have thought. I sail a keelboat off a beach and you normally need two people to manage that process.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ifoxwell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 10 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Pretty dependent on being at a club
with a crane I'd have thought. I sail a keelboat off a
beach and you normally need two people to manage that
process.


No that's the beauty of the design.

The keel is something like 60kg but with a lightweight resin infused hull and carbon spars the whole lot only weights the same as a big dinghy... and as the keel lifts
you launch and retrieve it in the same way.

I think there is a market for it

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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 10 at 12:48pm
The problem is, if the perception is already in folks minds as it clearly is,
that's one hell of a marketing spend required to alter.

And so far they haven't managed, up until you explaining it there, I'd been
exposed to that boat at Southampton, again in London and of course via the
side ads flashing here, but nowhere do they make it clear there's any kind of
revolution going on here.

So to clarify what you're saying is the keel bit can be raised and lowered so
launching off a beach is feasible?
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Personally, I do like the idea behind the K1.

Yes GRF, the keel can be raised and lowered (it's on some sort of pulley system).

I can see one major problem - not just the whole handicap dilution thing - but where WILL these be sailed? There honestly can't be that many clubs where keelboats are allowed (or at least compete alongside a handicap dinghy fleet. Don't berate me with a list of clubs that do allow keelboats, but I'm just saying that the market could be a fair bit smaller than expected. Plus, I doubt that this is the sort of boat you would tow to the coast just to sail on your own.

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As you say, no point in bombarding you with answers but
as a single point of note, there are plenty of clubs that
race Flying fifteens along side dinghys!

And in many respects this is just a lead assisted dinghy
so I really don't see why many clubs would feel the need
to ban it out right? It doesn't take up any more space, doesn't require any special treatment for launch or
recovering. Can be rescued in the same way, or even
easyer if required, doesnt draw any more water... its
just like a dingy?

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Originally posted by ifoxwell

The keel is something like 60kg but with a lightweight resin infused hull and carbon spars the whole lot only weights the same as a big dinghy... and as the keel lifts
you launch and retrieve it in the same way.


Sailing weight 125Kg. I reckon that's three people to pull it up the beach, maybe two strong people. Single-handed - you are having a laugh. It takes half a dozen people to pull a 300kg FF up the beach at my club and more is better.

I think there is a market for it


I'm not saying there isn't, I'm just discussing the issues.
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I know that we have one member that is going to race his in our dinghy general handicap fleet at lyme. It will be interesting to see how it goes in waves.
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Originally posted by Captain Morgan

the keel can be raised and lowered (it's on some sort of pulley system).


Not a new idea: the K6 works like that and so do bigger boats like the Melges 24 and many others.

So you want to sail away and the wind's blowing onshore. That means you need the keel down and for that,  you need someone to hold the boat and give it a shove off while someone else steers and sheets in. Remember you can't drop the keel instantly like a dinghy board. Or to do it single-handed, you need pontoons so you can walk the boat along the pontoon into deeper water, keel down, sail away. I'm back to saying to operate single-handed, you need a club with a crane and pontoons. Such clubs do exist - they are just the minority.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 10 at 2:48pm

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by Captain Morgan

the keel can be raised and lowered (it's on some sort of pulley system).


Not a new idea: the K6 works like that and so do bigger boats like the Melges 24 and many others.

So you want to sail away and the wind's blowing onshore. That means you need the keel down and for that,  you need someone to hold the boat and give it a shove off while someone else steers and sheets in. Remember you can't drop the keel instantly like a dinghy board. Or to do it single-handed, you need pontoons so you can walk the boat along the pontoon into deeper water, keel down, sail away. I'm back to saying to operate single-handed, you need a club with a crane and pontoons. Such clubs do exist - they are just the minority.

I'd have thought that singlehanders that fall over if left alone while the trolley is being taken away are more hassle than this boat to launch and recover singlehanded, yet many people (often with help from other sailors, who they in turn help) seem to cope just fine. Plenty of clubs have a winch at the top of the slipway for rescueboats and wayfarers already, too.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 10 at 4:59pm
Not planning to stay fit at 60 then Jimbo?

I'm 60 ffs and sorry no sign of flying fifteen premature ageing a la Mark
Woods here so far.. Premature other things maybe
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