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    Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 8:08am
Would a boat with fully battened main and jib still sail
sensibly if you removed the battens?

I was wondering if it might make the boat a bit more
manageable while we get used to it.
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i would expect that the battens would be needed by the sail design and would probably prolong the life of the sail too.  I doubt that it is a good idea but why not try it and answer your own question.
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Originally posted by ellistine

...still sail sensibly if you removed the battens?. I was wondering if it might make the boat a bit more manageable...

Rather the reverse I would have thought. And I would bet it would damage the sails. Sail with plenty of twist in the rig and you'll have less power and a less on off rig without doing anything dubious.

OK I've been sailing with them for something like thirty five years, but I really don't get this stuff about full battened sails being difficult to manage. When was the last time you heard a Solo sailor coming ashore cursing about how difficult his rig is to manage. Doesn't happen to my knowledge!

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Like JimC I would say that it would make it more difficult to sail. If your talking about the 4K the easiest way  to make it more manageable is actually to sail it full on. This might sound funny but if you do it does make it easier to sail.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 8:56am
Originally posted by les5269

Like JimC I would say that it would make
it more difficult to sail. If your talking about the 4K
the easiest way  to make it more manageable is actually
to sail it full on. This might sound funny but if you do
it does make it easier to sail.


Ironically it's not so much the sailing that's the
problem. It's the launching, landing and generally
shunting the boat about with the sails up. There doesn't
seem to be an off switch on it without dropping the main
and switching to a daggerboard hasn't helped us.

If we weren't so stressed about getting out and in again
it would be easier to get used to. I'll have to get me
some brave pills.

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Landing...
My favorite technique for coming onto any kind of lee shore is hove to with the jib firmly backed. Foils most of the way up and she'll slip in sideways with no bother. Daggerboard rudder does help enormously though. Try it out on the water to get an idea of the angle of drift.
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So how and where are you launching the boat?  Maybe we can help out there with some more techniques, not so specific to the 4k?  I must say that launching and recovery is something taken for granted by sailors on less restricted access areas!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 9:33am
How embarrassing is this - We sailed out of WPNSA. Do
slips get any bigger?

Our usual launch routine is for me to hold the boat flat
while the crew climbs aboard. I then grab the tiller and
main sheet, throw a leg over the side and push off which
has never been a problem in the Vago. In the 4K we
launched of the North slip into the wind. Before I had
chance to climb in the jib pulled the bow around and
raced off along the slip with me running after it. I just
managed to stop it running aground.

Second attempt was a bit more successful and we got
going.

Because I didn't fancy landing straight downwind I came
in on the east facing slip on a beam reach. All was good
until my crew lifted out the daggerboard. At the point we
shot off sideways towards the rocks and I had to crash
capsize to avoid an impact. My crew had already jumped
out into 7' of water to try and catch the boat. That
hadn't worked either!

In hindsight I think I should have launched and landed of
the east slip and perhaps sailed past it for the landing
returning to it on a close haul. At least that way we
would have drifted onto the slip once the plate was
lifted. I also think we need to look at how much plate we
can leave down without it hitting the bottom. I might
also experiment with dropping the main and coming in on
the jib but we never managed it in the Vago through lack
of space and I can't see the 4K being much better.

Come the next season we'll be sailing out of Castle Cove
again. It tends to be more sheltered there but also a lot
shallow for a lot longer.

It's far less stressful in a plastic boat you know!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Quagers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 9:55am
We tend to put the helm in 1st, he gets everything ready, stands on the leward side then the crew gives the nose a push and comes in infront of the racks. The advantage is the crew can keep it head to wind much easier from further forward and the moment they let go the helm has control. Cant help with landing as this always seems to be abit hairy for us.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 10:04am
for lee shores, as long as you've got enough space, being able to drop the main into the boat and sail in under jib alone is a perfectly valid technique- we use it a lot in the b14.
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