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I take it you don't like the look of I14's as well then?
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No flow, what?! - dose hard chines aid extra speed!

So you dont like cherubs, you dont like I14's, I take it you dont like 18footers, so u must also hate 12ft skiffs....................

Hang on - you hate EVERY development class! 

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dvelopment classes are really cool but they arnt for everyone!
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they dont get as good reacing
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yer and they are more expensive!!
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Originally posted by 5420

they dont get as good reacing

WHAT! you havent even sailed one before - done make assumptions! and as for the expense? Its cheaper to have a custom built, latest spec cherub than it is a 49er! and guess which is more fun? comming from someone who has raced em both!

But again, its all down to personal preference - im not slating the 29er continiously like some ppl in here are doin to the cherub - if you like your class then that is enough! we sail what we sail for our own reasons. Every boat has its equal good and bad points.

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If the 49er was a development class, I don't think I would have went for one because there is always something else you have to do to the boat to keep it fast. We considered buying a 14, but the price of the boat and the development factor put us off a bit. Would love to move into a development class in the future though when we know that we could keep up with the pace of developments but for just now its not an option. The Cherub does seem a nice boat, and doesn't seem too expensive to keep up to date, just a little bit small for my preferances just now. I really love the look of the Primal Scream boat and it is really good to see the class develope in this way. I feel the boats like Primal Scream will appeal more than a 29erX for sailors that are of the same frame of mind as me and I'd consider sailing a Primal Scream Cherub in the future, whereas the 29erX doesn't really appeal to what I'd like to do in the future. Will be interesting to see the comparitive prices of the boats.
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The new primal scream is an awesome idea, its gonna help the cherub class loads, its gonna make the cherub more available, its got gorgeous clean lines and the rig looks impressive... Its true everyone has there own opinion and thats what makes sailing so great theres so much choice to choose from. Im saving for a boat now and im trying to choose between the 14 and 49er, its all about cost cos im a student and i cant afford to keep upgrading.... but what would perfomance saling be without boats like the cherub???
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i know the feeling mate, i'm a student too. That's why i chose a cherub so that i could save on the high retail costs by making a lot of my parts from carbon myself. I've found that although that is possible in 14's, they all seem to look very proffesional as most parts are bought from mass producing manufacturers and people all have very similar configurations. I'd go for the 14 though, they just have more prestige and heritage than a 49er in my view....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 05 at 10:37am
The great thing about a 12 foot development class is
that it really isn't expensive.

Basically you can't do much with a 12 foot water line
so the hull shapes all go at a similar speed. This
applies to N12 as well as Cherubs.

Even radically different looking boats like Loco Perro
and Slug, have very similar waterline shapes.

Plus the materials are less because there's less
boat. Carbon mast are easy to make and fix ( see
mpeg video's on the cherub site or our DVD ). So are
center boards and rudders ( see above also).

And sails wear out in all classes.

My old boat was very competitve and she was built in
1989, the inlands Championship was won by a
similar aged boat last year. And this is basically
because the boats are very well made in the first
place and just don't go soggy.

So it is a common sailing myth that development
classes are expensive.

I think this comes about from classes like the i14
where alot of money exists because of the type of
sailor that sails them. ( I like i14's so please no irrate
14er's )

SMOD's can be very expensive to. When the
manufacture stops supporting the class and you
lose secondhand value and when they decide to
change the 'strict one design' boat you have bought
for you. So you must comply. Or when it is no longer
a trendy class to sail. There are many examples of
this.

So please everyone development classes aren't all
expensive, it is all down to how the rules are written
and the class culture.

Basically performance sailing isn't cheap however
you do it.





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