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Kaos
Newbie Joined: 05 Apr 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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Topic: Two big blokes looking for a dinghy Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 1:27pm |
Not sure if this is the right place for this post, but hope it's OK. My and my sailing buddy purchased a 2nd hand Laser II last year. Both of us have some sailing experience, but I wouldn't say that either of us are particularly good. We thought that a Laser II would be a good place to start - given cheap (in case we completely trashed it!), two handed, kite, and trapease. We have had a lot of fun in the boat, but we have a few problems: Any suggestions much appreciated. Thanks |
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NeilP
Far too distracted from work Joined: 23 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 271 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 2:28pm |
Hi Kaos, I am biased, and yes I do want to increase the numbers in my class, but i hope the advice is still relevant. If you are both over 6' and 90 kilos, there are really only two dinghies worth considering if you want any kind of performance: Osprey or Flying Dutchman. Both are big, powerful and fast. Both will carry weight well. of the two, the FD is faster and in my opinion more fun to sail (not to mention better looking!), but either one will be fun and can be bought relatively cheaply. The RS400 is a good boat, but with 180kg on board you will struggle, and quite possibly break it! Sadly there are no modern asymmetric boats that will carry this sort of crew weight sensibly. If you want to come and try an FD, i will gladly take you out. Neil |
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headfry
Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Jul 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 2:52pm |
Hi Kaos,
If you like the 400 go for it!!! Why not buy a boat you like. I fell in love with the 400 a year or two ago and have just got one. Yes it's very advanced for Mr Headfry and I but we are enthusiastic and very eager to learn. We have only sailed her twice, but are lov'in it at the moment we pick calm days to practice on, our time will come when we can tackle F4-5's but untill then it's F'2 for us. Being completly new to 400's the only thing I can say is she seems a little 'tippy' but thats for us to get use to, as you do with the ways of any boat thats new to you and I am told it's only tippy to a point! I was almost put of the 400, and quite saddend, I loved the shape of that boat so much, then it came to me..... If I was given a 400 would I hand it back saying no thanks I dont know how to sail this, and have never sailed one of these before ..... NO you bet not, I would rip their arm of saying a huge thanks and best I get on and learn how to sail my boat I have had so much help from the forum and there are many kind 400 sailors at my club, I know we will get to grips with her and she will still thrill us even in 5 years time!! Take all the good advice on offer, but make sure you buy a boat that you both like. Please let me know what boat you go for and how you get on good luck in your quest! |
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headfry
Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Jul 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 359 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 2:59pm |
Just read the last posting..... sorry did not realize the weight issues with some boats. new to this myself!
Just dont' be put off one that you both really like because it seems advanced, check out your club see it they can help you 'bridge the gap' as it were!! |
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hurricane
Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1047 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 3:18pm |
this may seem like an odd boat to recomend but a hurricane 5.9 could be the perfect boat, heavy weight crews are just as competitive as the lightweight ones. The boat are can be picked up cheaply and are very stable compared to a laser 2. You do not need to be a super helm to be able to sail one and the winning will come a little later!! The class holds events to get new owners settled into the boat. http://www.hurricane59.com/forsale/default.asp?id=1 the boats currently for sale Edited by hurricane |
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Stefan Lloyd
Really should get out more Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 4:26pm |
http://www.rs-association.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=218 would suggest that at 28 stone, an RS/400 is still worth considering. I don't think they are particularly "advanced" to sail. The normal question, of course, is what classes are sailed at your club, as you will usually learn most and have most fun sailing the same classes as other people. |
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sten
Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 208 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 4:39pm |
Not many boats are competative with 180kg. Have a go in a flying fifteen its not that difficult to dry sail and it will carry your weight. The other option is go single handed giving you a wider choice of boats, OK,Solo,Finn,Phantom,Musto Skiff, get 2 and you can race each other. Try before you buy.
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Bobbins
Newbie Joined: 08 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 27 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 4:46pm |
Backing up Neil, any of the symmetric 'power classes' can be picked up dirt cheap and are a blast to sail. I'm guessing a fireball would be a bit tight, but FD's etc should give you no end of fun. Have a look at www.fastsail.org, covers all the above
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Pierre
Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 5:24pm |
And, as the resident Osprey sailor here, I would recommend that you look at one of these as well as an FD. I wont be rude to Neil about FD's I can do that elsewhere, but do check out www.fastsail.org and look at the events. If you want to take a ride just ask. Big Boys Toys.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 5:28pm |
The 400 has a reputation of being able to carry weight, and I wouldn't regard as being enormously advanced. See if you can get for a sail in one and see how it goes.
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