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At 60Kgs I would of thought you are better suited for a Byte. To stop the nose dive you need to be careful to keep the kicker on and not oversheet (the same as in a Europe) when going downwind!
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Originally posted by tack'ho

you can't get away with just driving into the trough like you can in a laser, ... both are quicker than a laser.

Firstly, there is no way a byte or europe is quicker than a laser!!!

Secondly lasers are much harder to sail downwind in waves than you make out! a laser has enough power to completely submarine and come out the otherside but then you have a boat full of water and that makes you very likely to tip it in as the power comes back on!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 09 at 7:35am

Woa, there skipper!!

No one was claiming that either the Europe or the Byte are faster up or downwind than a Laser (the subject of the sentence is 'tack')....or for that matter that sailing a Laser fast downwind is easy.  However I can catergorically state that both the Europe and the Byte are tipper and more sensitive to be planted into the back of waves than a laser.  Not that doing it in a Laser is a clever plan or quick, it's just that they are both shorter, narrower on the waterline and lighter; and they both have larger cockpits (I canna change the laws of physics).



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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 09 at 9:28am
Actually when it was very light I have seen the Bytes consistenty beat Lasers standard rigs! (Similiar ability sailors).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 09 at 9:32am
ssssshhhhh.....the handicap people may be watching
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As an answer to the question I prefer the byte, more simple and great performance through the wind range with that fully battened main! Light winds the byte is incredible compared to soft sailed boats and in heavy winds you just need to know how to depower it otherwise it "bites" excuse the pun there!

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Just out of intrest how is both the CII and Europe on PY?
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CII == 1140

standard byte == 1162

Europe == 1139

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 09 at 10:21pm

Sorry I meant on handicap racing.
Against Radial's mainly

small fleet of radials in the area so would race those when not at opens etc.

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