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Sadly it's a victim of a market driven by pond sailors, a corrupt handicap authority, by corrupt I mean broken as in the formula is corrupted by biased data, before I get accused of suggesting the committte members themselves accept brown envelopes.
I'm now also told that trapezing is beyond the aspirations of most sailors, though quite why I don't get, since it is far more comfortable than hiking, although yes a bit more awkward inland and in gusty conditions.
The Farr is a jolly little boat to sail, I enjoy mine, I just don't enjoy being pitted against a handicap of 1100 which is attributed to a boat that is faster in most of the condtions we sail on the sea, yet the Farr Handicap even allowing for the 1063 generously allocated by the Great Lakes mob is woefully inadequate for such a short boat in wave lengths that favour boats in excess of 14 feet.
The Farr also lacks critical mass so nobody gets to try one before buying, if they could there would be more out there and tbh it's not a market where there would be sufficient ROI to take the sort of risk of producing a fleet of demo boats. If it had the same set up, i.e. home build and manufacturer, the same rig, yet were 420 long, maybe it would gain traction, but as it stands it will remain a very small niche of home builders and eccentrics like me that won't be sheep, herded into classes of flawed crap.
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Or actually...  if you are a small builder with limited mould storage space and a big class comes knocking you ship out the little class moulds you have because..... err... you are a business. 
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Sadly it's a victim of a market driven by pond sailors, a corrupt handicap authority, by corrupt I mean broken as in the formula is corrupted by biased data, before I get accused of suggesting the committte members themselves accept brown envelopes.
I'm now also told that trapezing is beyond the aspirations of most sailors, though quite why I don't get, since it is far more comfortable than hiking, although yes a bit more awkward inland and in gusty conditions.
The Farr is a jolly little boat to sail, I enjoy mine, I just don't enjoy being pitted against a handicap of 1100 which is attributed to a boat that is faster in most of the condtions we sail on the sea, yet the Farr Handicap even allowing for the 1063 generously allocated by the Great Lakes mob is woefully inadequate for such a short boat in wave lengths that favour boats in excess of 14 feet.
The Farr also lacks critical mass so nobody gets to try one before buying, if they could there would be more out there and tbh it's not a market where there would be sufficient ROI to take the sort of risk of producing a fleet of demo boats. If it had the same set up, i.e. home build and manufacturer, the same rig, yet were 420 long, maybe it would gain traction, but as it stands it will remain a very small niche of home builders and eccentrics like me that won't be sheep, herded into classes of flawed crap.


Personally, sailing on the sea, the short waterline rules it out. Waterline length = speed until you're planing. In waves, short boats get stopped worse by waves.Trapeze boat with a four digit PY? It would need some serious redeeming features to make up for being that slow in average UK conditions.
There is very little upside in short boats now we can build longer ones which are not stupidly heavy. It's just a rating rule mentality like IOR shaped cruisers.
These things can be forgiven if the boat delivers great boat-on-boat racing on the water, but a short trap boat is not likely to do that in any PY fleet I've seen lately.
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There is very little upside in short boats now we can build longer ones which are not stupidly heavy


Love to know the name of such a boat, I've never seen one.

Can't argue with what you say though, I sort of wondered when I bought it wether it could be footed off fast like windsurfer short boards do, but not so, it ain't light enough either. Might work big inland, estuary short chop water, but aside from that it was fun to learn to trapeze on, except the bit where an Aero 7 passed me downwind when I was on the wire.

Now put a wire and stayed rig on an Aero 9 might be interesting, there's nothing else out there that fits the bill, other than my Fireblade thing which is also way too heavy, but is at least longer.

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There is very little upside in short boats now we can build longer ones which are not stupidly heavy


Love to know the name of such a boat, I've never seen one.

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Very few people have tried 'clean sheet designs' in the 'larger singlehander' niche this century.

Realistically, the market for new classes is small and easily dominated by the likes of RS and Devotti who can offer some reasonable hope of critical mass and class racing.

I suppose the RS600 is a fairly good example of a longer, light boat. If it were designed today, it could be lighter and very likely easier to sail.
Musto Skiff is pretty light and not exactly short.

In some ways the choice of whether to have any asy kite or not further splits the market.

Any fool can specify a better boat, coming up with something that gives great racing with a range of crew sizes and against your typical PY fleet takes a lot more insight IMHO. Sometimes the best racing is not in the best boats, even excluding Lasers from the discussion.
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You're not wrong in summary eric.

I was talking to a parent of keen juniors the other day, gone straight from Oppies to 29er and loving it over having a look at Lasers.

They were also saying there are rumours of a smaller rigged Musto Skiff on the same lines as 49erFX. Could be interesting for lighter adults.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 21 at 12:23pm
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They were also saying there are rumours of a smaller rigged Musto Skiff on the same lines as 49erFX. Could be interesting for lighter adults.

Such a boat exists but in Germany, Light skiff.de https://www.lightskiff.de/light-skiff-news.html but with a sail size of only 7.8, 3.98 long it seemed a tad to small to risk an import, that and the usual issues with the bitches at PYAG who would never contemplate a handicap of 1090 any more than they'd accept 1093 for the Farr 3.7 which is what the computer suggests is more accurate.

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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Do Different

They were also saying there are rumours of a smaller rigged Musto Skiff on the same lines as 49erFX. Could be interesting for lighter adults.

Such a boat exists but in Germany, Light skiff.de https://www.lightskiff.de/light-skiff-news.html but with a sail size of only 7.8, 3.98 long it seemed a tad to small to risk an import, that and the usual issues with the bitches at PYAG who would never contemplate a handicap of 1090 ......



You seriously think it's about the same speed as a Vareo?

I'd think the designer might be a little upset if people thought his boat was so slow.
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They were also saying there are rumours of a smaller rigged Musto Skiff on the same lines as 49erFX. Could be interesting for lighter adults.

Such a boat exists but in Germany, Light skiff.de https://www.lightskiff.de/light-skiff-news.html but with a sail size of only 7.8, 3.98 long it seemed a tad to small to risk an import, that and the usual issues with the bitches at PYAG who would never contemplate a handicap of 1090 ......
You seriously think it's about the same speed as a Vareo?
I'd think the designer might be a little upset if people thought his boat was so slow.
Dunno, give me the specs for the Vareo I'll bung it through the spreadsheet, see what it says.

Edit, well having another harder look, yes, computer says Vareo 1071, Lite skiff 1088. Vareo is 4.25, 8.8sqmtr but heavy 93 kg, Lite skiff 3.98, 7.8sq.mtr & 60kg all up.

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Originally posted by Do Different

They were also saying there are rumours of a smaller rigged Musto Skiff on the same lines as 49erFX. Could be interesting for lighter adults.

Such a boat exists but in Germany, Light skiff.de https://www.lightskiff.de/light-skiff-news.html but with a sail size of only 7.8, 3.98 long it seemed a tad to small to risk an import, that and the usual issues with the bitches at PYAG who would never contemplate a handicap of 1090 any more than they'd accept 1093 for the Farr 3.7 which is what the computer suggests is more accurate.

No not that but a reduced rig MUSTO.  


Would be epic for small people. 
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