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Originally posted by tgruitt

Can someone enlighten me?

470 had enough supporters, Yngling did not. If you were expecting some consistent and coherent decision-making criteria, think again.

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Originally posted by tgruitt

Can someone enlighten me?

If they hadn't relaxed the rules a bit the Yngling would have been the match rcing keelboat, which its not very well suited for.
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the elliott is a proven match racing boat, and no suitable class is international enough in keelboats because keelboats do tend to be more regional anyway.
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Originally posted by tgruitt

Hmm it seems strange that they are adopting some classes such as the Elliot 6 (which we don't seem to sail over here) and saying they won't adopt others due to many of the countries not sailing that class, I'm slightly confused by it all to be honest. Can someone enlighten me?

 

For match racing, the exact boat used is much less important. The boats used on the top-class tours vary immensly from event to event- and the ladies who'll be going for Olympic spots will have to compete on the top circuits. As said, the Yngling isn't a suitable Match race boat, and keelboats are considerably more "regional" than dinghies. So they've plumped for a boat which has been used at top level, and that presumably has been priased by those who've used it.

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Originally posted by JimC

the Yngling would have been the match rcing keelboat, which its not very well suited for.

In what way? It's just as well-suited, or ill-suited, as the women's keelboat in fleet or match racing.

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Originally posted by kanga

the elliott is a proven match racing boat

You could say the same about J80s or FC8s or any of several other classes that have been used for match racing. The simple fact is that event organisers use the fleets they can get hold of and there's nothing about the Elliot that makes it especially suited for match racing, nor AFAIK has it been used anywhere outside ANZAC. I'm not particularly complaining about this decision but there is no coherent or consistent rationale behind the choices for the women's keelboat and dinghy. These are entirely political decisions. 

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by kanga

the elliott is a proven match racing boat

You could say the same about J80s or FC8s or any of several other classes that have been used for match racing. The simple fact is that event organisers use the fleets they can get hold of and there's nothing about the Elliot that makes it especially suited for match racing, nor AFAIK has it been used anywhere outside ANZAC. I'm not particularly complaining about this decision but there is no coherent or consistent rationale behind the choices for the women's keelboat and dinghy. These are entirely political decisions. 



OK Stefan, you try convincing the IOC to let 16 5 person teams into the games and come back to me about J80s or similar! Ynglings are not good for match racing because of their characteristics - ask yourself what makes a good match racing boat - the yngling does not have these qualities - spinning to quickly, acceleration, layout to allow the crew to perform quick and unpredictable manouvrers properly.....not in a yngling!
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Originally posted by kanga

the yngling does not have these qualities - spinning to quickly, acceleration, layout to allow the crew to perform quick and unpredictable manouvrers properly.....not in a yngling!

What's the prime class designed as a match-race boat? The IACC. 25 tonnes of lead in the bulb - not exactly fast to accelerate. You'll find plenty that argue that fast acceleration is precisely what you don't want in match racing, because slow accelaration punishes tactical mistakes. As for "layout to allow the crew to perform quick and unpredictable manouvrers properly" - on some IACC boats you have to disconnect the forestay to gybe!

I'm not a defender of the Yngling but the arguments you are making are precisely the same as those that made it a poor choice for fleet-racing. Actually you can make a good case that the Yngling is more suitable for match racing than fleet racing.

 

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Yes it was also a poor choice for fleet racing, but why keep it for match racing when there are better boats for the job?

the america's cup is a totally different case altogether.
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Originally posted by kanga

Yes it was also a poor choice for fleet racing, but why keep it for match racing when there are better boats for the job?

That wasn't the point I was arguing. My point was that there is no consistent logic between the two decisions made regarding the Women's 2-person dinghy and keelboat. I'd have liked both changed.



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