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Villan
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Topic: 18ft skiff / skiff safety Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 12:42pm |
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Laser 4000 at the Nationals. Was the hook getting caught on the lowers if I remember correctly. |
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k_kirk
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 1:55pm | |
I agree this is a great idea. Most dive boats carry a small bottle of Oxygen to be used in cases where a diver has symtoms of decompression sickness or cases where a diver has to be resuscitated after drowning etc. I think either the product you link to or pure Oxygen should be carried on rescue boats for 18s or any other high risk class. |
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Ross
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 2:15pm | |
High risk? Higher risk cirtainly, but not high risk. I would bet that more people die playing football each year then they do sailing.
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Ross
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 2:23pm | |
I presume you are talking about 'heart attacks' Ross, and I would of thought the risk of heart attack is around the same sailing as it is playing football. But there isn't a inherent risk playing football. It's not as if you are participating on top of an alien environment.
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winging it
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 5:53pm | |
As safety boat crew our current brief is to get the boat up asap, not to spend time trying to free those under the hull. The rational behind this is that the person trapped has a better chance of survival and is easier to free if the boat has been brought upright.
My concern with the spare air being carried by the safety boat is that as well as losing time by putting it to use, there could also be a danger in supplying the air to the trapped person. If that person should panic whilst under the boat and try to snatch at the person supplying the air then you could have just doubled your problem. If you bring the boat upright asap you get a much clearer view of what is happening, may well have freed the trapped person anyway and have also not risked anyone else. In the case of a boat sailing on its own, if the crew are confident they can utilise the cannister effectively and are aware of not putting themselves in danger air , then I think it is an excellent idea. (Who remembers when doing lifesaving at the swimming pool, being taught how to kick the panicking person away if they snatch at you so you don't get into trouble too?) |
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Skiffybob
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 6:20pm | |
So the two cases being discussed here are both related to trapeze hooks getting caught then. A comment made to me once about this, is that the reason not to wear a BA is so that should you get hooked-up, you can get the harness off quickly. For the same reason, said person also refused to wear a "team rashie" over the top for the same reason. So perhaps it's not just about the BA stopping you swimming down, but the ability to get out of your harness.
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 6:30pm | |
Yes good points. Although an 18 isn't easy* to get upright even with a safety boat.
*(read fast enough to avert a situation, especially when someone is hooked up). And when you include rescue boat response time, situation assessment and getting along side (getting to the forestay) anyone hooked up is going to need air just about when the rescue boat arrives. So I take your point but I think I might prefer to risk the panic of the trapped crew member and try and provide 'spare air' if I had it. The current rescue boat advice is correct because, to my knowledge, no club rescue crews have anything on board like 'spare air'. It's just possible that advice might be different if something like this was available. Interestingly in powerboat racing there is often a dive boat team. Although I'm not suggesting that. It does seem a logical bit of kit to have on offer. Edited by Jack Sparrow |
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winging it
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Nov 08 at 6:38pm | |
I think I would add to that Jack that although I've righted most sorts of craft, I would not necessarily know the best way to right an 18 ft skiff and I suspect that would apply to a lot of safety crew. Certainly the RYA syllabus doesn't really cover it.
I suppose that points the way to an extra level of training for crews expecting to cover such boats and could also include ways of supporting a person who might be trapped. With regard to the harness situation, I've only ever been caught by my leg, not my hook. I don't usually wear anything over my harness but even so I doubt I could get it off easily if I were trapped. Which then takes us back to the quick release hook.... |
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 08 at 10:42am | |
I think thats a very VALID point - despite being what I would consider to be a reasonable experienced rescue boat crew/driver - I wouldn't have a clue about 18 specific issues, and I'm sure the same would apply w.r.t. to most boat crews at events where 18s are sailed in this country. The other issue is size of boat - with any of the youth boats an adult rescue boat crew should basically pretty much be able to get it up on there own - again I would imagine this is difficult with an 18.. |
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 08 at 11:12am | |
Correct |
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