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Peter Barton
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Topic: Endeavour Trophy Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 12:47am |
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Interesting deep stuff. I guess pecking orders are related to attitudes. If people get regularly beaten by someone perhaps they get used to it and then comfortable with it. Then you have to dig your way out of that crazy mental hole! No 'pecking order' can be very established as this fleet has not raced together before. I dont see it existing by reputation either as you have 30 National Champions so there are plenty of people used to winning, winning the start and claiming a pin end for themselves if they want it. They should, at least initially, have good attitude However, would maybe a less experienced team, almost subcontiously, cut Nick Craig some slack of a start line based on his past reputation as 3 times (now 4) winner? Hopefully not, if they are worth their salt. But then maybe it does happen subcontiuously? Need to raise attitude to over come that? Getting into deep psyco stuff now........
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Rockhopper
Really should get out more Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 8:57am | |
well i agree with pete in every aspect as i did the endeavour last year (winning the vareo nationals) i had not sailed a boat with spreaders or with a crew for a few years.i spent the first day nearly last every race as i could not get the thing to point up wind when you are five degress off everyone else you struggle.however in our once ashore i tried to find a setting for the boat so a quick chat to the greenhaulh brothers and the boat was set up next day for us much better in the teens only my poor choices on directions costing us places. however i had to say that i learnt alot from the event which i would say everyone should try to get to . andy |
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 9:29am | |
Great feedback Pedro - glad you had fun! You'll now have to keep up your nationals winning streak so that you can go back next year and make it onto the podium.. Edited by laser4000 |
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G.R.F.
Really should get out more Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 11:41am | |
Not necessarily deep psycho stuff but an essential element of any tactical approach to a start line, there will always be those who are there to take part and those that are there to win however experienced they are and only 1 in 3 of them will ever make it clean off the line. Subconscious or consciously OD races do have a habit of getting won or lost by it imho. But it also sounds like, judging by the next post, setting the boat up is also a key element unless they do that for you and you're not allowed to fiddle which would be a fairer competition for the classes without tensionable rigs for example. |
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sten
Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 208 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 12:45pm | |
It does favour people from simular classes in that they know how to get the best out of the boat with rig set up and good team work, but with a little asking people and looking around you can soon pick up what makes them the best.... Ill have to practice a bit more if I get the chance to go again. I dont think anyone sufferers from a pecking order, the main difference is Nick/Toby are better prepared having raced a variety of simular classes and are confident of there speed and boat handling enabling them to fully concentrate on good starts and tactics, if your head is in the boat your not going to win. http://www.photoblink.com/sailing/endeavour08/pages/DSC_0336 -copy-sm.htm Great event, well worth going if you get the chance, a big thank you to topper for providing new boats giving a level playing field, even though I didnt finish where I wanted too I learnt alot from the event. Edited by sten |
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Roy Race
Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 1:44pm | |
That's a really interesting photo. Now, I'm not trying to criticise so please take this in the way it's intended, but Nick and Toby are looking upwind at where they're going and you're looking at the rig! I know it's only a snapshot in time but could this tell a story? Also, they've got their jib absolutely nailed in hard, which is different to your setup. |
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alstorer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 2:42pm | |
I think that's his point. Of course, Nick and Toby also sail together, rather than against each other... Edited by alstorer |
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G.R.F.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 2:58pm | |
Hah they've got you nailed there, they're stuffing a lee bow in place
therefore you can't point, and she won't do as she's told then not related by any chance? Didn't I read somehwere you're supposed to elbow them down if they wont hike hard enough.. Edited by G.R.F. |
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timeintheboat
Really should get out more Joined: 01 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 615 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 4:04pm | |
I have to say the set of pictures on Y&Y will have done nothing but good for Topper and Photoblink - and good luck to them.
There are some stunning pictures in there and the boat does look good. The badged Hyde kite certainly looks better than the black ones I have only seen before. A bit of bigging up the event would have done no harm. I am sure a great experience for all those that took part. |
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Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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sten
Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 208 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 4:06pm | |
kind of happened every time we where next to another boat, why are they pointing higher / going faster? whats there rig look like compaired to ours? aahh thats whats wrong!!! now we have lost our lane grrrr We mostly had very good starts and gradually dropped back to places which I have forgotten. I should have done more home work before the event. |
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