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Rockhopper
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Topic: Endeavour Trophy Posted: 18 Oct 08 at 6:24pm |
we had adam do the set up on ours last year and it was not good for us but ok for the others that used it.the bit i liked was when packing the boats away most of the masts had different setting.we came last last year but at least we sailed and finished each race. andy |
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
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G.R.F.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 08 at 7:45pm |
Not much chance of that. Mind you I must be the current Alto reigning champion since there's only me sailing it. So now other than the MPS circuit what would be the dumbest group to take on and win their nationals? |
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Hector
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 Oct 08 at 3:35pm |
Graham - Ian says to tell 'that Fuller bloke' he'd have kicked your 4rse - as usual!! You say you didn't know it was on - see previous threads from earlier years (also some more excellent photos). Or search on google. Its every year at the same venue and time of year. I've done the event a once or twice now and always enjoyed it - whether doing well or not. The competition is top class, and since the Xenon was introduced its also very fair. Topper deserve full credit for that. Virtually anyone attending the training is able to get the fast settings from coach Adam Bowers, although last year I changed mine after an OCS gave me the opportunity and had a 1st 2nd and 3rd in the next 3 races. Nick is obviously consistently the best, even last year when he struggled (by his standards) he still managed 3rd. It was windier last year so not as potentially flukey as this, which makes his consistency particularly impressive. The effort The Royal Corinthian put in is awesome, - and they treat competitors fantastically well - They deserve a huge thanks from all who sail. If you get invited go. BTW I shared accomodation with the Laser reps and Steve Tylecote / Toby last year. The Laser guys were peeved off that they were behind both of us - a case of old head and skill beating youth and fitness? Not really, my crew was hiking like a ninja! I think they just train so much on a Laser that they can't just jump in a different boat and do well straight away. At least they stuck it out -unlike the the Greenhalgh bros who packed up and went home after a couple of bad results and an OCS. Cheers Keith (the older good looking one)! Edited by Hector |
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Guest
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 10:04pm |
A choice made on weight of course. The event is open to current national chmpions who get invited to compete. The Champion of Champions ... |
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G.R.F.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 9:10pm |
I was right about his crew, I note last year they both lost.
Also worthy of note Geoff Carveth has won it a few times which is more than he managed in One Design Windsurfing Fleets which are therefore clearly a more difficult arena I notice the MPS crew Rick is smarting at using is obviously a lot less useful than his Mrs An interesting event, so is it an invite each year to all the individual class champions, is that the general idea? Sort of the definitive race to sort out who the governor is? They should hold it on raceboards Then you'd know for sure |
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Rockhopper
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 8:45pm |
i think you are right there rick it did seem to be favouring the lighter people even in that breeze from last years one they were still at the front on the windy races .
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 8:11pm |
I think the Xenons struggle to carry weight. If I went again I'd get my wife to crew rather than a heavy Musto Skiffer. |
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Rockhopper
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 7:43pm |
for me i learnt more about spreaders and the effect they have on the rig how it can make the boat point higher go faster being more powered up totally new to me.but you sit there thinking i cant be this bad can i ? even when we came last in couple of races we was only two boat lenghts behind the next boat i sure sten will tell you same any mistake in your own class you drop maybe a couple places not five or ten .i found that the setting for me my crew that worked for us was one and half pins out and the same forward.i could not belive it was the same boat. andy |
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
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G.R.F.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 6:04pm |
Did you manage to find out anything definitive?
Hope you don't mind me asking.. Honestly I find this event so fascinating, you are all bloody good jockeys and at the top of the game, we can tell squat from still pics, but it's obvious from that one you're wondering what's going on and the crew is not entirely happy with the situation. They are stuffing it judging by the jib luffing, I guess we all know that's what it's about out of the gun, overwhelm the guy below whilst trying to maintain a cranked lee bow on the guy above, in our lark we ensure that scenario with a bit of kinetic energy (pump our arses off) so right there if you don't have the total boat speed I can see how it goes rapidly pear shaped. Those tubs obviously differ vastly from MPS's and it has to be totally about the jib in an OD fleet given it's the element that will either nose ahead and secure nice clean air or get shafted, so my question remains did you eventually glean anything different to the way you were originally setting it up? I'd love to have been there, just to watch and learn, shame I didn't know about it.. |
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sten
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 4:06pm |
kind of happened every time we where next to another boat, why are they pointing higher / going faster? whats there rig look like compaired to ours? aahh thats whats wrong!!! now we have lost our lane grrrr We mostly had very good starts and gradually dropped back to places which I have forgotten. I should have done more home work before the event. |
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