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Post Options Post Options   Quote kanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 1:56pm
yeah i do see your point oz man, but i think it was sucha huge disadvantage for the danish anyway, that they were destined to win it.
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If I genuinely thought I was racing a Croatian boat and altered my tactics accordingly then yes.  If it made no difference, then no.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote theycallmegod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 2:54pm
I probably wouldnt have...

Winning the gold in a courtroom would've felt hollow....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 3:29pm
my sentiments exactly...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MikeBz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 3:53pm

I don't blame the Spaniards for protesting, they've trained for xxx years for the Olympics and it was a bizarre and potentially grey situation.  When the Spaniards and Italians "jointly" appealed the Italians were represented by "Mr. Jordi Lamarca of Spain" - now I may be wrong but that smells, well, kind of smelly.

Having lost the protest I'd accept it.  The Spaniards have now been sporting and done so.  The Italians (see edit below) sadly are unable to do that.  It's very sad for sailing and sport in general.

Edited slightly later:  From what I've read elsewhere the Italian sailors aren't happy about what's going on, it's the Italian Olympic Committee that has decided to take this to the Court of Arbitration not the Italian sailing team.  Maybe that's why they didn't want to represent themselves at the appeal...

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In sailboat racing the Rules are part of the game. Therefore if you can win in the protest room you go there. Sportmanship has got nothing to do with it.

Ainslie (twice) and Goodison used the Rules to win their gold medals. Some people might consider that what they did was unsportsmanlike.

What do you say to that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 12:39am

I say rubbish.  The rules are there to ensure fair competition.

ie the measurement rules exist to ensure everyone has kit conforming to the ideal of the class, in the case of the 49er one design.  The fact you can in this case use the same rule to force out some who was competing in a measured boat with no advantage gained doesn't mean you should. in other words the spirit if not the minutae of the rule was adhered to.

the racing rules of sailing apply to everyone equally, had Robert, Zach or the swedish fella been a better sailor than them, then Ben or Paul would not have been able to do that to them!!  

oh and if you think sportsmanship has nothing to do with sport then i think your missing the point entirely!!



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Post Options Post Options   Quote MikeBz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 8:53am

Originally posted by Jimbob

In sailboat racing the Rules are part of the game. Therefore if you can win in the protest room you go there. Sportmanship has got nothing to do with it.

Ainslie (twice) and Goodison used the Rules to win their gold medals. Some people might consider that what they did was unsportsmanlike.

What do you say to that.

To that I say that what Ainslie (twice) and Goodison did was not unsportsmanlike. I also say that it's rather different to trying to overturn a protest and subsequent appeal by resorting to a court of law. I don't consider that to be part of the game.   It would seem that you do.  Hey ho!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Norbert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 9:06am
No appeals, basic entry conditions of any ISAF sanctioned race be it at you local club or olympic medal race

ACCEPTANCE OF THE RULES
By participating in a race conducted under these racing rules, each
competitor and boat owner agrees
(a) to be governed by the rules;
(b) to accept the penalties imposed and other action taken under
the rules, subject to the appeal and review procedures provided
in them, as the final determination of any matter arising under
the rules; and
(c) with respect to such determination, not to resort to any court or
other tribunal not provided in the rules.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser4000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 9:30am
Originally posted by Norbert

No appeals, basic entry conditions of any ISAF sanctioned race be it at you local club or olympic medal race

ACCEPTANCE OF THE RULES
By participating in a race conducted under these racing rules, each
competitor and boat owner agrees
(a) to be governed by the rules;
(b) to accept the penalties imposed and other action taken under
the rules, subject to the appeal and review procedures provided
in them, as the final determination of any matter arising under
the rules; and
(c) with respect to such determination, not to resort to any court or
other tribunal not provided in the rules.


Indeed - does breaching that by complaining to CAS (even if not their choice) put the sailors as risk of action under rule 69, from which one would assume they would be banned for a while...
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