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    Posted: 12 Feb 05 at 2:43pm

My friend has just got an international moth, it's a plywood one, it's fairly old but it's not a wide one. We're trying to make it fit an aysmmetric kite, only a small one like an RS200 kite or something, we thought it would be an interesting project.

Who thinks its going to work and who thinks we will just end up with a broken boat and us sitting in A&E in hospital?

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nice idea but iīll think you will end up in hospital. got a int moth myself and i think itīll never work, but please inform of your progress! very interesting!
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I'm sure I've seen a picture in Y&y ages ago of someone rigging a old size 505 kite as an assymetric on a moth. I think it could be done. the drops could be a interesting experience.

 

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You'll need foils on that too.   That would be fast
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These guys manage the kite ok.

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Originally posted by tgruitt


Who thinks its going to work and who thinks we will just end up with a broken boat and us sitting in A&E in hospital?



Constructionally quite challenging: there are an awful lot of new types of load that the boat really isn't engineered for. I would guess you'll need to take off at least the foredeck andprobably the main deck as well in order to substantially beef up the structure.

Maybe you should consider foils, Rohan Veal and Adam May go quite fast enough without s spinnaker - fast enough that I think they genuinely would go slower with.
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The remnants of one of my broken tiller extentions was donated for use on a "Tiger Moth" - a two man, assymetric Moth.  I think it was quite a wide one (well, for a wobbly boat anyway).

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Nice idea but a bit of a dream.  JimC is right the stresses would require a substantial rework of the structures within the boat.  Plus the completely different way you'd use the boat to get downwind would be best utilised with a broader flatter stern and more stability - so you might as well start again rather than modify an existing Moth.  This is precisely why the RS600 and the RS700 are completely different boats.
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but our aim is to get foiling in the end with the kite up, we're planning on a fixed bowsprit like the 18ft skiff, it's an old N12 mast tip which has been beefed up a bit!
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Originally posted by John

These guys manage the kite ok.




but just look at how fast it's going!!!

And look at the pinhead sail!

is this from recently? ( oh - it's from the US :) )The interesting bit would come at the drop ( in a bit of wind )

it might help to get the wing out of the water, and sit forward, and reduce the waves at the back.


The foiler moths sail so fast downwind that the main is sheeted in hard, with apparent wind well forward, that a kite would not set.
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