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golfdane
Newbie Joined: 21 Aug 08 Location: Denmark Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
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Topic: 49er medal race Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 3:37pm |
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From the race report: I think the warning signal is 4 minutes prior to the start.... :)
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 3:34pm | |
Pretty sure I read it somewhere, but can't find it now.... :(
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Scooby_simon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 2:25pm | |
Waring sig was BEFORE 14:30 as stipulated, the race started just after. |
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RyanV49er
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 2:11pm | |
Maximum 15 knots? Where did you get this from? it's usually 25knots for the 49er.
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 1:33pm | |
I find it curious, that the maximum windspeed (peak) measured during the 49er race, is listed in the race report as being 14 know on all points. Below the maximum allowable of 15 knot where the race has to be abandoned. Every race the same day, had winds above 15 knots. I also think the warning signal was AFTER 16:30. BTW, according to protest 66, were the danes 3:57 after. 1st marker showed 4:48 after the leading french boat, and the gap up to the leading boat increased through the race.
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 1:19pm | |
According to the rules in place, could they not claim redress in the medal race. As I see it; an italian support boat COULD have given the message, since it was information freely available (known to the OMC, RC and visible on their bibs, if you came close enough (and I bet they can recognize each other on greater distances than you'd have to be to read the bib)). That is, if a support boat is allowed to come close enough to yell it or show a sign. It's common sense, that it couldn't possibly be a croatian crew. IF the croats felt like going sailing, would everyone know, that they would be removed from the competition area. The danish wreck was known, so I would assume they somehow had gotten permission to use it. Of course, during a medal race, you're probably to focused to think straight. Anyway, violation of appendix G calls for a warning and time to correct or a penalty decided by the jury. Not a competitior.
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RyanV49er
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 1:09pm | |
I think I must be too much of an idealist in my opinions (of course the other teams will try to find ways to win), but I wish the lawyers would leave sailing alone.
Oh, and italy could never have got 4th aftyer that capsize. There was about 2 or 3 minutes between boats finishing. If you've ever raced 49ers, that's a huge distance. |
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AndersDK
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 12:53pm | |
I agree with your points, Ryan, from a sailors point of view. But how would a lawyer look at it? I dont see them protesting about this, or? I cant see the connction between the case for ITA and the case for ESP. They are substantially different. ESP has sailed as good as they could, having won the medal race. As a matter of fact, you could discus whether a rule 2 "Fair Sportsmanship" trial could be relevant, when looking at their eager for the gold, despite the clear logic, that they evidently didnt sail as fast as the Danes, during the event. ITA might have had a disadvantage caused by the CRO-sail. They would, that they might have taken more chances and squizzed the lemon even more, if they knew that a 4th would give them a bronze medal. My problem is that I dont understand the juridical aspects of this. (btw: what a worldclass website you run! Im impressed and entertained) Edited by AndersDK |
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RyanV49er
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 10:41am | |
But they finished miles away from the next boat! No way could they have pulled up. they didn't capsize to avoid sailing into 4th, they capsized because they nailed it into a huge ass wave when they were leading down the last run! If theywere sailing for fifth, why put the kite up when you are leading by so much? Surely the "We thought we just had to get fifth so didn't try for higher" is bull when you think of it this way? I have to say I feel so sorry for the Sibellos. They are great guys and really deserved a medal, but it's not fair to penlise the Danes because the Sibellos put the kite up on the last run and pitchpoled. |
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AndersDK
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 10:35am | |
Ok, as far as I understand it, it seems like CAS has to decide whether the Jury acted correctly or not. IMO there seems to be a significant chance of that CAS will support the jury in their decision, aka ESP & ITA will lose appeal case. One thing I dont see very clear, is ITA's case. They claim to have sailed to obtain the 5th spot in the medal race, in order to secure the bronze medal. Not seing the DEN boat on the race course (and proberbly wondering what the h... the Croatians were doing) they figured 5th place was sufficient for the bronze. After the race it became clear, that CRO was DEN, and they lost the medal. IMO they might have a case here. What is the case here? How could they know about the boat swap? Could they disq the Danes? (I guess not) Could they claim redress?
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