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Black no sugar
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Topic: 49er medal race Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 8:52pm |
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It looks as though your brain's been working faster than your fingers, Scoob...
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Scooby_simon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 5:53pm | |
But replacement kit is allows and this was granted as the appropiate dodco was files at the earliest opp.... If they had been protested that the boat did not measure and that it did not, then they get DSQ. Re. ID, If I was sailing the race and in order to sail a good race you need to know what EVERYONE else is doing. I assume the whole fleet saw the DEN boat break the mast and go back. If I spotted a boat on the course that was not one of the 10 I was expecting, I would instantly think, hang on, who can that be, it must be the DEN boat as they broke their boat. No one else would be ALLOWED on the course. As you state the camera AMY be carried.
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ITA_Max
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 3:19pm | |
Nice one |
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ITA_Max
Newbie Joined: 25 Aug 08 Location: Italy Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 3:06pm | |
Lot of things has been written on this subject and I don't want to open the debate again, neither start a flame.
Personally I consider the fact that the Danish entered in the race without that the other participants knows about that was "unusual" , at least for such important event. I also see difficult, if not impossible with such conditions, to advise the participants. The Jury has decided one way. Any decision would have made some countries disappointed. I'm more and more convinced that postponing the medal race would have made everyone happy, the Danish would have won the Gold medal without all these troubles, and no precedences were defined. Italy won in total 28 medals. The CONI claimed before the games between 25 and 30. One more bronze wouldn't change to much (is probably more important a Gold for Denmark ...) All the rest is speculation and rumors. Ciao Massimo |
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 2:47pm | |
In regards to rules being "broken": Usain Bolt wore an orange wrist band. Orange is chosen by "The Color Orange" as a color you can use to signal sympathy towards Tibet. http://www.thecolororange.net/uk/ What about Holland????
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 2:14pm | |
MR13 (in regards to quarantine of MR contending vessels): In place so you can't modify a boat prior to the medal race (boats are normally not checked and measured afterwards, since the result announced immediately after the race stands, if no protests goes against it). This is why the RC protested (protest 66), to secure (recertified by the OMC) the croatian boat wasn't modified. Appendix G. (identification): According to the jury: In place to facilitate identification by media and referees. When the OMC and the RC allowed the boat, knowing it sailed with incorrect identification, is it not prudent to penalize it. NoR4, SI3 (camera): Deemed to be of no advantage. In the conditions of the medal race, would I agree. The camera sits fairly low, and would lower the center of gravity slightly, which might be as advantageous as not having it would be in light conditions. IOW, one can speculate towards what the camera might do, but it surely didn't make the danes sail fast. The rules states: MAY....
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 1:56pm | |
Hi Massimo Surely, had it been the other way around, do I think everyone would protest, since there is no way you would be able to grasp it all (the RRS, NoR, SI and MR), and know what is precedence (who knew that an italian boat had once replaced the hull, and was allowed to?). The timeframe within which a protest should be announced, is rather small, especially given the adrenaline rush you would experience during the medal race. Would Denmark have taken it to CAS? I doubt it. I also think the sailors accepted it after the first protest, and the rest stems from the respective NOC's, due to political pressure from above (I seem to recall reading somewhere, that the italian head of CONI needed to produce medals to keep his job (rumor)).
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Scooby_simon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 1:32pm | |
So, which rules were broken? Edited by Scooby_simon |
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ITA_Max
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 1:14pm | |
Now that the story is completed I would like to put forward an Italian point of view in this discussion.
Surely the Danish team deserved the gold medal for what they have demonstrated during the whole Olympic Regatta, not doubts, however .. there are rules to be respected and in the medal race some rules have been clearly broken. The International Jury decide to not penalize the DK team on the basis that they didn't take any advantage by breaking some rules; It's a decision which I respect even if I'm not convinced. I'm asking my-self in the rules are not fully respected in the Olympic Regatta where have to be respected .... IMHO the 49er medal race was run in conditions which didn't add anything to this sport, was simply a survival race. Even if the wind was within the limit the sea condition was not at all suitable for this kind of boat. The better was to postpone the medal race to the following day (which was, by the way, an excellent day for sailing). Last comment. All interventions in the forum are supporting the decision of the Jury, very good. Just think a little bit if you had a GBR and a DK boat instead of ESP and ITA. Would you have the same reactions ? I already imagine the comments regarding the usual tricky way to win a regatta used by the Italian mafia ..... Ciao and congratulation to the UK team for the results in the Olympic events. Massimo |
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golfdane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 08 at 11:29am | |
Full decision of CAS: http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/1909/5048/0/Award%2 0OG%2008%20008%20&%20009%20FINAL.pdf 5.3.4. ".....In addition, the Respondent has addressed several examples in which boats participated (and were not disqualified) which did not bear the Additional Identification, including an Italian boat." 5.4.7. ".....The Panel finds it also a remarkable example of Olympic
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