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I've still had no joy with the Javelin wetsuit girl tho.

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Wow - this topic really takes me back! Talk about crazy races of yesteryear . . . in Oulton Week we still have a race called the Bloodbath - but it hardly lives up to its name these days. Not like in the 60s and 70s when any boat at all could enter it, from the largest river cruiser with huge bowsprit and masses of sail area, to the smallest junior classes. It wasn't orginally called the Bloodbath - but then it was - no prizes for guessing why! A river cruiser gybed and wiped out the dinghy running next to it and I think more recently a river cruiser sailed over an Oppie! Certainly a fine spectator sport. When I was little the race was called the John Player Trophy I think - it was certainly sponsored by the Player cigarette company and there used to be motor launches going up and down the broad throwing packets of cigarettes to competitors, even us juniors. All good fun!
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Originally posted by Vronny

Talk about crazy races of yesteryear . . .

The Hornets used to have a cross channel race at one point. and remember the "wet" weather gear was a lot more basic. May be they were a lot tougher then.

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No lawyers were a lot more basic.

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

No lawyers were a lot more basic.

I think it's more that boats were more sea worthy back then. Modern boats are more about performance and looks than getting home in one piece.

 

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No, I don't think boats were more seaworthy! Remember that a lot of boats like Fireballs were built as kits in people's sheds, garages and living rooms! Many people had little idea what they were doing - just followed the instruction sheets. There were several sea clubs in East Anglia with big fleets of fireballs - and really poor rescue cover! I sail a fireball now and it always gives me great confidence when sailing in dreadful North Sea conditions that crazy fools survived in boats a fraction as well-built as my Winder!
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OK .... the designs were more seaworthy then.

 

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wouldn't have thought that hornets have changed too much in the last 30 odd years, not to ruin the nostalga to much
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Originally posted by GarethT

OK .... the designs were more seaworthy then.

 

Possibly but possibly not.

Most boats back then were single floor so would swamp if capsized unlike most modern self draining hulls.

Back then most had several seperate boyancy tanks, many modern ones have only one tank, however they are typically foam sandwich so boyency is built in to the hull.

With strechy ropes streachy sail cloth, tree trunk masts and less effective sail controls, harnessing the power of the rig would be more difficult, but one of the pictures of the 14's has it reefed, which was I think common for racing in the 50's and 60's.

the size of rigs were typically smaller for the size of boats but that is offset by the ease of controll of newer rigs, when things go wrong however big rig boats are more of a problem.

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by MpHarris

wouldn't have thought that hornets have changed too much in the last 30 odd years, not to ruin the nostalga to much

The hull shape is basically the same although some tweaks have been made to exploit the large tolerances in plans for home built boats. This is my 1953 boat in original condition.

The newset ones designed this year are free draining with gantry type mast step but still the same narrow hull that Holt designed and sliding seat in those days.

I think the boats were no more seaworthy than they are today but there was an element of self responsibility and less of a blame culture.

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