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redback 
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 Topic: Retired or notPosted: 17 Jan 05 at 10:47pm |
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They should have left the rules alone, there's about a 100 years of refinement thrown away for the sake of something "simpler". Its actually a case of dumbing down and clearly leaves a lot unsaid, or am I being a grumpy old man?
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Blobby
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Posted: 18 Jan 05 at 6:24am |
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Yep!
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 18 Jan 05 at 8:39am |
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First they made the rules "simpler". Then every 4 years they add another set of incomprehensible extras to fill in the holes the "simplification" left. The pre-1997 rules were clearer, resulted in fewer collisions and gave us better racing. Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
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bigwavedave
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Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 9:04pm |
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I wouldn't say Redback is grumpy.
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Contender443
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OK here is a question for you rules experts out there. You are in a handicap race on a Wednesday evening with a fleet ranging from Laser 4000's to Toppers on a small course. Average lap timing is being used. Once the L4000 laps the topper can the topper luff the L4000? Is this legal or are they interfering with a boat on a different leg of the course? What is the rule number for this? |
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Phil eltringham
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Posted: 04 Feb 05 at 12:23am |
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The topper may not luff, rule 22.2 (prev. page of thread). The 4000 and topper are both to sail their proper course to the next mark and are obliged to obey the rules of part 2 such as to prevent a colission. (if you are in the 4000 go high and wide and try not to get involved, if you are the topper go low or tack/gybe out if possible) Its faster to worry about keeping your own air clean than trying to get involved with a boat of sinificantly different speed.
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 04 Feb 05 at 7:40am |
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Maybe, maybe not. I think the conclusion we arrived at is that until there are some protests and cases, nobody really knows what 22.2 means. |
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Scooby_simon
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I agree this needs to go to protest, but I think that the topper cannot luff as you are indeed on a different leg / lap. |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 04 Feb 05 at 1:46pm |
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The question is what is "interfering". The rules don't define the term. Whether a defensive luff to protect clear idea is "interference", none of us knows until there are some cases. If I were to guess, I'd guess not. I suspect what the ISAF means by "interference" is obstructing another boat e.g. one that is close to you in series points, purely as an aggressive move. Maybe I'm right, maybe not. Who knows, until there are cases? |
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Win or Swim
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Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 10:10pm |
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sorry to go back a bit in this conversation, The conduct of that laser radial sailer who interfered in your race, and then spitefully wouldn't leave it behind on the water was appalling to say the least. I'm an 18yr old racer, and have been club racing for three years, and I have never seen anything like that. I thought that is completely against what we sail for, even when i've had real angry / agressive team races, we've got back in got to the bar and been best of mates. If we carry on like this, then the risk of turning a 'sportmanship' sport into a sport with a reputation like football hooligans. Please don't let our sport goto that. |
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