Adhesive Advice

   Hi,
My Enterprise has suffered a little in todays high winds, the boat turned on to it side when the fittings securing the boat snapped.
The impact of the gunwale of the floor has loosened some of the gunhale supports (best described as ribs). These appear to have been secured with some form of adhesive.
Any advice on the best way of re-fitting these would be appricated.
Thanks.

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andyagar Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Jun 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote andyagar Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Adhesive Advice Posted: 31 Jan 08 at 4:42pm
	Hi, My Enterprise has suffered a little in todays high winds, the boat turned on to it side when the fittings securing the boat snapped. The impact of the gunwale of the floor has loosened some of the gunhale supports (best described as ribs). These appear to have been secured with some form of adhesive. Any advice on the best way of re-fitting these would be appricated. Thanks.

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6649	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 08 at 5:55pm
	It rather depends what your Enterprise is made of... More detail please... Are the biots that need repairing Wood to wood, wood to glass, glass to glass, something else?

radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 08 at 6:44pm
	Pictures of the problem will also help. The fact you probably havn't seen the boat is propper light doesn;t help either. As JimC says, more information about what your boat is made of is also required. Out of interest, was your boat secured to the ground with an securing rope/tie downs?

andyagar Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Jun 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote andyagar Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 08 at 8:10pm
	Sorry for the earlier lack of info, crashed it out in a hurry family commitments and all that! managed to get a look before the light was lost today, no visible damage to the hull or diots except for the remnents of old adhesive. The Hull is Glass and the Biots are wood The boat was secured to the ground with rope onto eys concreted in, but the wind was so severe that the line 10mm polypropolyne snapped, no doubt grit and dirt has got in between the strands and reduced the strength of the line. In saying that a number of other boats in the compound suffered the same fate.

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6649	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 08 at 8:41pm
	Clean up all traces of the old adhesive on both surfaces and glue on with SP106 thickened with microfibres and a little silica gel.

Villan Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768	Post Options Post Reply Quote Villan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 08 at 9:11pm
	No More Nails? Serious note .. Maybe some form of Epoxy? Even if you cant replicate the original, now you know its a " weak" point, it wont hurt to make sure its well and truly beefed up! Edited by Villan
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	I was watching The Blues Brothers again the other day. You know the bit where Elwood glues the Winnebago's accelerator down? ("This is glue. Strong stuff"). Noticed this time that the label on the can reads "Marine Epoxy"

andyagar Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Jun 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote andyagar Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 08 at 3:04pm
	Thanks for the advice so far much appriciated. Had another look today and took some pics, also found that the fall has bent my starboard spreader 1. This shoulder has come clean away. 2, The Gunwale had lifted and sat on top of another Knee and caused a slit split to the hull near the the gunwale. 3. This knee is loose. 4. top of the gunwale in the damaged area.

Kudlinski Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 18 Sep 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kudlinski Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 08 at 6:26pm
	hi if you new set of spreaders drop me a pm with sizes etc and I can dig you out a pair from boat that I have stripped for bits in the past many thanks.
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6649	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 08 at 7:08pm
	Cosmetically I can't advise... With the crack in the topsides you need to abrade the inner surface and put a glass patch over it. probably 4 layers of glass with the first one overlapping an inch from the last bit of crack and each succeeding piece say an inch bigger all round. In all cases you need to make sure the surface you are gluing onto is well abraded and really clean. Acetone can be good to clear up the surface. Make sure your wood knees are well dried out before gluing too - airing cupboard?