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    Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 4:31pm

An interesting case has just been raised in discussions relating to a claim.  I'd be interested to learn the thoughts of any rules gurus.

The situation is as follows:

The Sailing Instructions of a regatta contained the following:
"Boats whose warning signal has not been made shall keep clear of the starting area and of all boats whose warning signal has been made. Attention is drawn to RRS22.1"

Boat A has missed her start and is approximately 200m downwind of the start line 90 seconds after her starting signal, sailing close hauled on port tack.

Boat B is sailing in a different fleet awaiting her preparatory signal, sailing on starboard tack.

As the two boats approach, boat A hails "We are racing", boat B "Hails starboard".  Boat A attempts to take avoiding action, but fails and a collision occurs.

Obviously if both boats were racing, boat A should keep clear as per RRS10, but as Boat B is not yet racing, she should keep clear of boat whose warning signal has been made, as per the sailing instructions.

My question to the forum is - When the Sailing Instructions and the Racing Rules are in conflict, which should take precedent?
 




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Try International prevention of collisions at sea.

basic starboard boat has right of way over Port

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But if both boats had signed the entry form agreeing to be bound by the sailing instructions and the racing rules, would this effectively give right of way to a port tack boat who is racing over a starboard tack boat awaiting her preparatory signal?
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The question: When the Sailing Instructions and the Racing Rules are in conflict, which should take precedent?

 

Should always give the answer: the SIs over-rule.

 

Having said that, back to this particualr incident. Is 200m below the line "the starting area"? I would have said not - it is too far away to be considered the starting area.

Of course, if the starboard boat failed to keep clear and a collision happened, then they are in the wrong just as much as the port tack boat. Whether or not they were past their preparatory signal or not.

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I'm not a "guru" but my take would be:

Racing A boat is racing from her preparatory signal until she finishes

So Boat A was racing and B was not.

RRS 22.1 If reasonably possible, a boat not racing shall not interfere with a boat that is racing.

So B is wrong under 22.1, unless it wasn't "reasonably possible" to avoid A, which doesn't sound the case.

There is no conflict between SIs and RRS.

Colregs are irrelevant because both boats are contracted to follow the RRS. The boundary of the "starting areas is also irrelevant.

 

 

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how come I have seen a jury use the colregs to disqualify a boat for a similar situation?
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Noble Marine

Could you clarify if the collision took place before the 2nd boat's warning signal (5 mins) or preparatory signal (4 mins) as the terms have been used interchangably above.
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Originally posted by Worthy

Noble Marine

Could you clarify if the collision took place before the 2nd boat's warning signal (5 mins) or preparatory signal (4 mins) as the terms have been used interchangably above.

The collision took place approximately 2 mins after boat A's start and 13 minutes before boat B's start (i.e. 8 minutes before the 5 minute signal).

Both boats were approximately 200 metres downwind of the start line.
 
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Also please clarify the SIs do they state a time limit for a boat to cross the line after the start signal...some acutually say must cross the line within 2 minutes of the start signal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stuart O Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 9:22pm
Also look back in some of the IYRU/RYA appeals think you will find that this has been clarified and Im sure colregs led to the dsq of the boat on port.
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