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Noble Marine
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Topic: Sailing Instructions vs Racing Rules Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 4:31pm |
An interesting case has just been raised in discussions
relating to a claim. I'd be interested to learn the thoughts of any rules gurus. The Sailing Instructions of a regatta contained the following: My question to the forum is - When the Sailing Instructions and the Racing Rules are in conflict, which should take precedent? |
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Stuart O
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 4:59pm |
Try International prevention of collisions at sea. basic starboard boat has right of way over Port |
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Noble Marine
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 5:14pm |
But if both boats had signed the entry form agreeing to be bound by the sailing instructions and the racing rules, would this effectively give right of way to a port tack boat who is racing over a starboard tack boat awaiting her preparatory signal?
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ChrisJ
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 5:28pm |
The question: When the Sailing Instructions and the Racing Rules are in conflict, which should take precedent?
Should always give the answer: the SIs over-rule.
Having said that, back to this particualr incident. Is 200m below the line "the starting area"? I would have said not - it is too far away to be considered the starting area. Of course, if the starboard boat failed to keep clear and a collision happened, then they are in the wrong just as much as the port tack boat. Whether or not they were past their preparatory signal or not. |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 5:50pm |
I'm not a "guru" but my take would be: Racing A boat is racing from her preparatory signal until she finishesSo Boat A was racing and B was not. RRS 22.1 If reasonably possible, a boat not racing shall not interfere with a boat that is racing. So B is wrong under 22.1, unless it wasn't "reasonably possible" to avoid A, which doesn't sound the case. There is no conflict between SIs and RRS. Colregs are irrelevant because both boats are contracted to follow the RRS. The boundary of the "starting areas is also irrelevant.
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hurricane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 6:15pm |
how come I have seen a jury use the colregs to disqualify a boat for a similar situation?
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Worthy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 7:17pm |
Noble Marine
Could you clarify if the collision took place before the 2nd boat's warning signal (5 mins) or preparatory signal (4 mins) as the terms have been used interchangably above. |
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Noble Marine
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 8:34pm |
The collision took place approximately 2 mins after boat A's start and 13 minutes before boat B's start (i.e. 8 minutes before the 5 minute signal). Both boats were approximately 200 metres downwind of the start line. |
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Stuart O
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 9:20pm |
Also please clarify the SIs do they state a time limit for a boat to cross the line after the start signal...some acutually say must cross the line within 2 minutes of the start signal.
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Stuart O
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Dec 07 at 9:22pm |
Also look back in some of the IYRU/RYA appeals think you will find that this has been clarified and Im sure colregs led to the dsq of the boat on port.
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