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The Blaze is certainly a better boat than it was - now that it's on its third different sail design!  The only reason it is succesfull now is because the class association was enthusiastic enough to organise their own re-design!  The eps wasn't a sales success because Laser screwed the marketing of it and then stopped making them when the Vortex came out (and that seems to have vanished from their product listing too now).  I still have one (my second boat - it doesn't get sailed much these days) and I certainly wouldn't swap it for a Blaze - even though we actually have a Blaze fleet at my club.

I'm sure there isn't a huge amount of repeat business in the dinghy market - OK, maybe the really serious racers replace boats with new(er) versions of the same but most people that I know don't.  So the only way to get a lot of people to buy a new boat is to have something shiny and new for them.  So whenever sales start to drop off the big manufacturers ditch a model and replace it with something easier for them to sell. Good for sailing?   Nope.  Good for selling? Yup.

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Errrm, who made the plastic 29er? Somone tell me who is actually going to to sail that thing?

Sailboats have enough compromise in them already, what the hell are these convertable boats all about! Firstly its a medicore 29eralike, change the sails and remove the trap and its a wannabe Rs200, put the trap back on and its trying to be a Musto skiff. Will it be as good as any of these boats? Nope not a chance. Why Oh why!!

Also its plastic so if it falls of the trolly/hits the bottom/rips out a fitting/starts to leak after the warrenty; it has to go back to laser, who then charge you the earth to do the repair. It's interesting that they dont quote a sailing weight in the stats, I'm guessing the hull weighs over 100kg. Yeah, high performance baby.

Maybe it will be a big hit and there will be thousands sold with hundreds at their first Nat's and I'll be proved wrong. I'm not scared though.

 

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Originally posted by *GM*

I'm sure there isn't a huge amount of repeat business in the dinghy market - OK, maybe the really serious racers replace boats with new(er) versions of the same but most people that I know don't.  So the only way to get a lot of people to buy a new boat is to have something shiny and new for them.  So whenever sales start to drop off the big manufacturers ditch a model and replace it with something easier for them to sell..

That's one aspect. Another is that it can be uneconomic to make hulls in batches of one. So it's OK when there is constant demand but once the demand is for only a few boats a year, the manufacturer won't make them at all. I was involved in running a class association that faced exactly this problem. We couldn't get the builder to make any more boats unless several would-be buyers came along at once.

 

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The low maintenance and ability to take knocks might get more people into sailing, then they'll realise the a stiff, light hull is better and hopefully get a real performance boat.

Personally I don't like the look of it, the construction method gives it heavy looking gunwhales and there's likely to be a real problem getting enough rig tension.  I wonder if it will replace the Laser3000?

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Way to go Matt, tell it like it is
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well there not making the 3000 anymore
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sailor.jon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 5:47pm

are laser still making the 5000?

i have one of there catalouges from last year and on the front it says:
The Range
laser
laser radial
laser 4.7
laser pico
laser 2000
laser stratos
laser stratos keel
laser 4000
laser SB3
funboat

i presume this is all they have in production at the moment

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 6:03pm

Yes I've just noticed the 3000 isn't made anymore and I'm pretty sure the 5000 isn't.  It's only time of course and the 4000 production will stop but I suspect there's quite a while yet since I reckon they sold about 30 last year.

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Originally posted by sailor.jon


The Range
laser
laser radial
laser 4.7
laser pico
laser 2000
laser stratos
laser stratos keel
laser 4000
laser SB3
funboat

the thing is the 4.7 ans radial are the same boat as the laser

the stratos and stratos keel are the same boat so laser are not really making many boats at the mo!!!

em i think that you forgot to mention the dart 16 and 18 as they are still making them!!

last i heard they have sold the molds for the 5000 to the class so i deff think their not making the 5000 any more pitty really to see so many good boats go out of production!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sailor.jon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 8:41pm

i know theres no difference in the hulls between full rig, radial and 4.7 after all i do sail my laser with a combo of all 3 rigs, i was just saying what was on the front of the booklet, theres no mention of a dart, tho it may only be a "laser" booklet

  

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